londonlewis
Tour Rookie
For anyone who knows what this is - has he given up? Looks like he hasn't posted anything anywhere for over 12 months.
The Dan Plan
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dufferman
Journeyman Pro
I think he got injured or something? Some sort of back problem?
I seem to remember him saying he had tried to practice but the pain was too much, possibly even surgery. Shame.
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guest100718
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I looked in now and again, I think he has had back problems and does appear to have given up or been forced to by his back
londonlewis
Tour Rookie
A shame really. Would have been good to see what 10,000 hours of dedicated work will get you.
I'm basing this purely on the swing I saw him take on his webpage, but I'm not entirely surprised he has back problems.
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re injuriespinberry
Club Champion
Interesting the Dan Plan experiment. I'm a firm believer of the 10,000 hours theory. Also, I do believe that talent is overrated and hard work is what matters. However, I think that there are still "intangibles" involved which explains why The Dan Plan failed and why not every hard worker makes it to the very top. In short, hard work is a pre-requesite for success. Without it there is no chance. But to be truly outstanding, you need intangibles such as healthy body, mental toughness, willingness to succeed.
Specifically for the Dan Plan, 10,000 hours is simply not enough. Tour pros would have clocked probably a multiple of that given that they started at a younger age. Surely, with 10,000 hours you can easily get to scratch but then we can debate whether this is an achievement or not.
With the Dan Plan, you also start seeing some of the intangibles at work. His body is clearly not coping with the required training regime. He might have made some mistake with physicial conditioning etc but to get to the top, you need at some point to be "gifted" with a mostly injury free body.
More generally, I think the biggest intangible of all is the mental toughness required to succeed. Very few people are able to put up with the sacrifices required to succeed at the top. Can this "skill" be tought? I'm not sure. It's probably a mix of the environment where one grows up (largely not controllable), what your parents are teaching you (can be controlled) and the way one is wired (down to chance I would say).
The other element is that at one point margins are so thin that "chance" plays an overwhelming role. To make a specific example - the difference between the number 20 in the world and the number 400 world is probably dedication (not skipping that one gym session, training better etc) so there's no luck there. However, the number 20 in the world is as exceptional, talented and dedicated as the number 1. What is the difference between Stenson / Day / McIlroy / Mickelson etc? Probably luck. They are all exceptional athletes and I think what separates them is just not controllable.
Specifically for the Dan Plan, 10,000 hours is simply not enough. Tour pros would have clocked probably a multiple of that given that they started at a younger age. Surely, with 10,000 hours you can easily get to scratch but then we can debate whether this is an achievement or not.
With the Dan Plan, you also start seeing some of the intangibles at work. His body is clearly not coping with the required training regime. He might have made some mistake with physicial conditioning etc but to get to the top, you need at some point to be "gifted" with a mostly injury free body.
More generally, I think the biggest intangible of all is the mental toughness required to succeed. Very few people are able to put up with the sacrifices required to succeed at the top. Can this "skill" be tought? I'm not sure. It's probably a mix of the environment where one grows up (largely not controllable), what your parents are teaching you (can be controlled) and the way one is wired (down to chance I would say).
The other element is that at one point margins are so thin that "chance" plays an overwhelming role. To make a specific example - the difference between the number 20 in the world and the number 400 world is probably dedication (not skipping that one gym session, training better etc) so there's no luck there. However, the number 20 in the world is as exceptional, talented and dedicated as the number 1. What is the difference between Stenson / Day / McIlroy / Mickelson etc? Probably luck. They are all exceptional athletes and I think what separates them is just not controllable.
I agree with all of that until you get to the last paragraph. There is a HUGE difference in talent and skill level between Jason Day/Rory Mcillroy and Jimmy Walker. And then again, a huge difference way over and above simply 'dedication' between Jimmy Walker and Nick Taylor (no.400). I think you could apply what you said between 200 and 600 in the world, at that level it often is dedication and mental fortitude. But at the very pinnacle of any sport are exceptional athletes that seperate themselves by more than hard work and 'chance'. (I would state though that almost every world class athlete is also has world class dedication.)
'Chance' might play a part from week to week - a lip out of a putt, a lucky bounce off a tree etc, but over a season and career then the most talented who also work hard will win far more than someone with less talent who works equally as hard. They arent 'luckier' in any way.
Garush34
Journeyman Pro
I've seen a few threads on other forums and I believe that he is now doing motivational speaking, seems like he has given up completely on the Dan Plan.
