Texas Scramble score... ridiculous?

[dufferman]

Last week I played in a Texas Scramble. The 3 of us in my team shot a (net) 34. I thought we'd be in for a prize. Turns out lots of teams were between 30-35, so we weren't as low as we expected.

However, one group shot 24. All off 28 handicap.

Discuss.

I thought I saw their horses in the car park and sombreros at the bar.

 

[Birchy]

Was this a 9 hole comp?

 

[dufferman]

Was this a 9 hole comp?

Yes. I should have mentioned that.

 

[Stuey01]

What was par?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Net or Gross?

 

[duncan mackie]

without knowing the par and the handicapping basis, let alone any other restrictions in play (or not) it's hard to judge.

the provision of 'whole number' scores suggests that it's not been handicapped in a way that would make handicap competition fair either -

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?48381-Texas-Scramble-Handicap-help

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Why was it a ridiculous score, all it takes is 1 of them to have a cracker and the other 2 to come in on some shots and its easily done. That's the beauty of a texas scramble where not all your bad shots count.

 

[Pistol Peter]

Last week I played in a Texas Scramble. The 3 of us in my team shot a (net) 34. I thought we'd be in for a prize. Turns out lots of teams were between 30-35, so we weren't as low as we expected.

However, one group shot 24. All off 28 handicap.

Discuss.

I thought I saw their horses in the car park and sombreros at the bar.

Was this an official competition?

I think I remember reading some other post a while back and you don't have a handicap so can only assume it was not an official match, plus I agree with Duncan ref the handicap allocation.

 

[woody69]

without knowing the par and the handicapping basis, let alone any other restrictions in play (or not) it's hard to judge.

the provision of 'whole number' scores suggests that it's not been handicapped in a way that would make handicap competition fair either -

http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?48381-Texas-Scramble-Handicap-help

I'm playing in a texas scramble at my club in 2 weeks time and they are currently showing it as "1/4 handicap". I assume it will be combined, but it seems a little away from what you have suggested. I'm currently on 21.1 and my playing partner will be off 5 so 1/4 combined is 6.5. Adding up and dividing by 10 gets us to 2.61. I wonder what it will be!!

 

[pbrown7582]

no score is that ridiculous in texas scramble especially 3 man teams, generally every chance your going to be under gross IMO.

 

[duncan mackie]

I'm playing in a texas scramble at my club in 2 weeks time and they are currently showing it as "1/4 handicap". I assume it will be combined, but it seems a little away from what you have suggested. I'm currently on 21.1 and my playing partner will be off 5 so 1/4 combined is 6.5. Adding up and dividing by 10 gets us to 2.61. I wonder what it will be!!

if it's a 2 man scramble then 25% combined is realistic

for 3 man 15%

for 4 man 10%

never rounded!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

My club always does the handicaps as:

Combination of: 1/2 the lowest handicap, plus 10% of the remaining players' handicaps.

Basically, you're screwed if you have a low handicapper in your team.

 

[rosecott]

if it's a 2 man scramble then 25% combined is realistic

for 3 man 15%

for 4 man 10%

never rounded!

Never rounded? We do. If normal countback can't separate teams, we then use the decimal portion as a last resort. We also give 20% to 3-man teams but experience suggests that 1/6th would possibly be fairer.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

If you aren't under par gross or very close to it, you stand little chance of winning these things in my experience.

 

[woody69]

if it's a 2 man scramble then 25% combined is realistic

for 3 man 15%

for 4 man 10%

never rounded!

Ok, 25% combined makes sense then. I wonder if they will round it or not. Perhaps that will be a decider in the event of a tie.

 

[duncan mackie]

Never rounded? We do. If normal countback can't separate teams, we then use the decimal portion as a last resort. We also give 20% to 3-man teams but experience suggests that 1/6th would possibly be fairer.

so you round it and potentially give the same handicap allowance to a Scr as a 9 handicapper ......?

21, 18, 16, 9 = 6
21, 18, 16, 0 = 6

don't get me wrong, the format should only ever be played as a fun event anyway, but I don't see the logic in these two teams being seperated by countback in the event of a 'tie' if they can, but then bringing the actual handicap back into play if they can't.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

so you round it and potentially give the same handicap allowance to a Scr as a 9 handicapper ......?

21, 18, 16, 9 = 6
21, 18, 16, 0 = 6

don't get me wrong, the format should only ever be played as a fun event anyway, but I don't see the logic in these two teams being seperated by countback in the event of a 'tie' if they can, but then bringing the actual handicap back into play if they can't.

At my club the two handicaps would be 10 & 5.5, that seems more sensible than taking 25% of each team. As that scratch golfer should be under par on his own, let alone if he has team mates to help.

 

[moogie]

My club, and previous club, always handicapped as 10% of combined handicaps
This was with the decimals too
Very rarely (never seen one) gonna get a tie that way.........

3 + 8 + 8 + 10 = 29
H/cap = 2.9

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Another factor that can contribute to a 'mega' Texas Scramble score is whether or not winter rules were in operation with placing allowed - and whether players placed or dropped at position of 'best ball'

Also - and I am hazy on how the rules of golf apply to this - were players of a team allowed to stand in the line (behind or facing) of putts to assess the borrow. I don't think that you can do that in 4BBB where one players putt is on the same line as his partners (though again not sure)

 

[gdc]

My club always does the handicaps as:

Combination of: 1/2 the lowest handicap, plus 10% of the remaining players' handicaps.

Basically, you're screwed if you have a low handicapper in your team.

That sucks.
So in an exaggerated case, if all 4 players were off 28 they would receive 14 + 8.4 = 22.4 shots.
Whereas if it was just 10% (the norm I believe) they would get 11.2 shots.

I'm guessing you don't win many of those comps then!!!