Terrorist Attacks - Germany/UK

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With the also attempted abduction of a RAF guy yesterday it is suggesting that ISIS are on an offensive in response to losing vital ground in Iraq

Can see more incidents happening in the coming weeks.

Won't be an easy time going on holiday at the moment
 
I'm surprised at the attacks in Germany. The Germans are not active in the Middle East so what is their rationale? Yes, I know they are nutters but normally there is a thread of reason in the madness.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I'm surprised at the attacks in Germany. The Germans are not active in the Middle East so what is their rationale? Yes, I know they are nutters but normally there is a thread of reason in the madness.
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My personal view is because they are easy targets, as are/ were most terrorist atrocities. miss Merkels views on opening the German EU borders to anyone were, although idealistic in the sense of a multi cultural society, they are not the views of everyone. Especially those who do not value the western culture and values.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to work out that these kind of atrocities will be the norm for the short term.

Thoughts go out to all concerned in Germany
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I'm surprised at the attacks in Germany. The Germans are not active in the Middle East so what is their rationale? Yes, I know they are nutters but normally there is a thread of reason in the madness.
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It's because they detest the West's culture and values and will take on easy targets. Germany, France, The UK, USA etc are the infidel and in their eyes legitimate targets.
 
Aside from the attempted attack at the RAF base yesterday it's sadly a matter of time before something on a massive scale occurs in the UK. These terrorists will pick the easiest targets and areas that we gender the biggest publicity. It seems to me a battle that can never be won although what the solution is I don't know.
 
We have to be careful on what we assume, some of the later reports are saying it could be German right wing extremists, very confusing at the moment.
 
What scares me most about the attack in Munich (no matter who is responsible for it ... there really seems to be absolutely no clue about this as of yet), is that it shows how easy it is to cause total chaos. Munich is pretty much under lockdown. The population has been asked to stay inside, all public transport has been stopped, the main train station evacuated, all major roads in and out of the city are blocked. The GSG9, Germany's main counter terrorist force, is on it's way there, as well as pretty much all police forces from the surrounding areas. All caused by (as it looks at the moment) at the most three people with a relative small arsenal of weapons (so far we know of a hand gun which could be seen in a vid and rifles which witnesses claim they have seen).

Now imagine a similar group of people would start a similar attack in another city only a few hours later, while the confusion is still great and people in all of the country are glued to their television screens to find out what has happened. Imagine the panic when an attack like this would be followed by another in Düsseldorf or Hamburg or Berlin. Public life would break down in all of Germany in a matter of a few hours. I guess it would work the same in any other country. And you don't need bombs or other weapons of mass destruction to cause it. Just a few determined people (ten altogether would suffice, I guess), a little bit of coordination and a climate of fear.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Aside from the attempted attack at the RAF base yesterday it's sadly a matter of time before something on a massive scale occurs in the UK. These terrorists will pick the easiest targets and areas that we gender the biggest publicity. It seems to me a battle that can never be won although what the solution is I don't know.
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We've already had a massive attack in the UK
 
My Niece is living in Munich , did a years work placement , came home and finished her teaching degree then went back to live and work there , she safe and sound thank God but things get a bit more real when someone belonging to you is in the same place
 
Capella said:
What scares me most about the attack in Munich (no matter who is responsible for it ... there really seems to be absolutely no clue about this as of yet), is that it shows how easy it is to cause total chaos. Munich is pretty much under lockdown. The population has been asked to stay inside, all public transport has been stopped, the main train station evacuated, all major roads in and out of the city are blocked. The GSG9, Germany's main counter terrorist force, is on it's way there, as well as pretty much all police forces from the surrounding areas. All caused by (as it looks at the moment) at the most three people with a relative small arsenal of weapons (so far we know of a hand gun which could be seen in a vid and rifles which witnesses claim they have seen).

Now imagine a similar group of people would start a similar attack in another city only a few hours later, while the confusion is still great and people in all of the country are glued to their television screens to find out what has happened. Imagine the panic when an attack like this would be followed by another in Düsseldorf or Hamburg or Berlin. Public life would break down in all of Germany in a matter of a few hours. I guess it would work the same in any other country. And you don't need bombs or other weapons of mass destruction to cause it. Just a few determined people (ten altogether would suffice, I guess), a little bit of coordination and a climate of fear.
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I understand what you are saying but I dont think Public Life would break down, We have lived through this in the UK and managed to carry on with our lives in defiance.
 
SocketRocket said:
I understand what you are saying but I dont think Public Life would break down, We have lived through this in the UK and managed to carry on with our lives in defiance.
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Trouble is in the UK we are used to our major cities being targeted...makes bigger political news but actually doesn't really make folks out in the countryside worry excessively or affect the way they go about their lives.

However.... four or five co-ordinated attacks on what I'd unkindly call middle England.... say Norwich, Swindon, Lincoln, Harrogate...... and all of a sudden the vast majority of the UK suddenly feels like they could be a potential target...... then the worry and fear really would kick in.
 
nickjdavis said:
Trouble is in the UK we are used to our major cities being targeted...makes bigger political news but actually doesn't really make folks out in the countryside worry excessively or affect the way they go about their lives.

However.... four or five co-ordinated attacks on what I'd unkindly call middle England.... say Norwich, Swindon, Lincoln, Harrogate...... and all of a sudden the vast majority of the UK suddenly feels like they could be a potential target...... then the worry and fear really would kick in.
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Worry, fear, yes. Public life breakdown, I don't think so.
 
SocketRocket said:
Worry, fear, yes. Public life breakdown, I don't think so.
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Fully agree (there's a first :)). We will (and need to) stay strong, believe in "our" values.....and I don't mean "British" or "Christian" or whatever. I mean democracy, the rule of law and no matter what these deluded people do we have to stand up to it make sure they know they will never "win". In fact they can't ever "win" this war they think they are fighting because they are too few. They may kill thousands of innocent people over the coming years, and the UK will not be exempt. But ultimately they will fail......simply because what they are doing is wrong, cannot be justified and will eventually peter out.

What worries me in the shorter term is the backlash against (say) muslims in our society which has the potential to create a tinderbox.....exactly the aim that these people have. When I say we will stay strong, I mean to resist the obvious temptation to go down this road. It's hard to be the "big man" and take these attrocities on the chin, but that is really the only way the west can deal with what's going on.
 
Well I think everyone jumped to the wrong assumptions with this attack from the off, which is understandable to a point, but it doesn't matter who is/was responsible though, it's still terrorism due the the nature of the public attack.

Just because of what he was wearing and what he was shouting out didn't make him a right wing extremist, no different to if he came from the middle east or was a muslim or held dual nationality makes him an IS supporter, early reports were so wide of the mark it was embarrassing and could have contributed to more panic than needed, especially believing that there were actually 3 gunmen reported and that at least 2 were on the loose when 1 of them was believed to have taken his life shooting himself with his pistol, not the actions of an IS terrorist who like to go down fighting and taking people with them!

This to me, even though it's still unfolding, was a total lone wolf 18 year old individual who has felt disenfranchised with the country, I think it's too easy to apportion blame and hand trophy's to specific groups, sometimes insecure individuals (loners) will unfortunately react in a way that begs belief and commit this act of terror, the only surprise is that he took his own life in a side street away from everyone and didn't go out fighting in a death by suicide scenario.
 
I must admit I am very impressed how the German media, politicians (with the exception of the right wing AfD, which jumped to wrong conclusions right away) and police speakers handled the situation. They were all very careful to keep the facts straight and not publish any wild speculations.
 
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