Supplementary score after practice 9 holes

[gryffindor]

Hi all - been a lurker for a while but now need some advice.

Can you play 9 holes in the morning, decide your game is on top form and then declare an 18 hole supplementary in the afternoon? (Obviously logging your intention in the book beforehand)

 

[Imurg]

Welcome to the Forum

To the question - I doubt it
You're not allowed to practice on the course before a strokeplay round - Matchplay - yes, Strokeplay - No...

 

[gryffindor]

That's what I thought - but the Pro disagreed - I assumed it was along the lines of when you play 36 hole comps on the same day.

PS Speedy reply - very impressed!

 

[Ethan]

I would say that the supplementary score would count for handicap purposes but the round could not be counted for competition purposes.

Disqualification does not necessarily negate a score for handicap purposes.

 

[rosecott]

Supplementaries have to be played under "competition conditions", so, as Imurg pointed out, no practising on the course prior to play.

 

[rosecott]

I would say that the supplementary score would count for handicap purposes but the round could not be counted for competition purposes.

Disqualification does not necessarily negate a score for handicap purposes.

CONGU's ruling on breaches of rule 7-1 is that scores are only acceptable for handicap purposes if "the round is completed before any breach of rule 7-1".

 

[bluewolf]

Supplementaries have to be played under "competition conditions", so, as Imurg pointed out, no practising on the course prior to play.

But would that make the round a non-counter for H/C purposes? As Ethan said, disqualification does not necessarily negate a score for handicap purposes. I'd never thought of it before, and I'm thinking of putting some supplementaries in later this year.

IGNORE THIS, AS ROSECOTT ANSWERED IT WHILST MY FAT FINGERS WERE TYPING IT..

 

[rulefan]

CONGU Appendix P

The following are situations when the player has been disqualified, where a score shall not be regarded
as a correct score.The score must be regarded as a ‘No Return’ and a handicap increase of 0.1 shall be
applied to the Exact Handicap, unless the CSS calculates as CSS=SSS+3 R/O.

7-1 Practice before or between rounds. Not acceptable

 

[Ethan]

On Page 40 of the English CONGU manual, it says:

Note: In submitting supplementary scores, players must be sure they are not in breach of Rule 7 of the R&A Rules of Golf (practice). A Club Committee may apply the note to Rule 7-1 and allow a supplementary score to be returned following the playing of a stroke play round earlier in the day.

http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

So it is not entirely cut and dried.

 

[rosecott]

On Page 40 of the English CONGU manual, it says:

Note: In submitting supplementary scores, players must be sure they are not in breach of Rule 7 of the R&A Rules of Golf (practice). A Club Committee may apply the note to Rule 7-1 and allow a supplementary score to be returned following the playing of a stroke play round earlier in the day.

http://www.englandgolf.org/e-brochure/index.html

So it is not entirely cut and dried.

As far as the OP is concerned, it is cut and dried. The note talks about the playing of a complete competition round played earlier in the day, not a few holes practising.

 

[bluewolf]

As far as the OP is concerned, it is cut and dried. The note talks about the playing of a complete competition round played earlier in the day, not a few holes practising.

Out of interest, what constitutes a competition round?

 

[rulefan]

As far as the OP is concerned, it is cut and dried. The note talks about the playing of a complete competition round played earlier in the day, not a few holes practising.

The not uses the words 'a stroke play round'. It doesn't mention 'complete competition' round.

 

[rulefan]

I can inform you on good authority that the intention of the note is to allow a stroke play competition round to be played before a supplementary score, not an informal, or practice round, or a match.

 

[Ethan]

I can inform you on good authority that the intention of the note is to allow a stroke play competition round to be played before a supplementary score, not an informal, or practice round, or a match.

You can't cite 'good authority' without saying what that authority is. Otherwise how do we know it wasn't the voice of Peter Dawson speaking to you inside your head.

Anyhow, intention is fine and dandy but if the rule is written ambiguously, then other situations may be covered. Inadvertently, perhaps.

 

[rulefan]

Unusual to query someone's integrity on this normally civil forum but it was an England Golf member of the CONGU Board. Nothing to do with the R&A.

 

[bluewolf]

He isn't questioning your integrity, merely pointing out that we need more than your assurance to believe what you have told us. I have little doubt that you're right, but I would like to see it written down officially to confirm. Thanks.

 

[Foxholer]

Seems like a question for English Golf Union to me. There appears to be some 'wiggle room' in the wording, so authoratative interpretation, rather than opinion, needed. Clubs/Pros (dis)allow all sorts of things they shouldn't.

They are normally pretty good at getting back quickly.

Make sure you state all relevant facts though.

 

[chrisd]

So, couldn't you, find a pal and play 9 holes of Matchplay in the morning before deciding to put a card in and go out in the afternoon for a supplementary round?

 

[Ethan]

Unusual to query someone's integrity on this normally civil forum but it was an England Golf member of the CONGU Board. Nothing to do with the R&A.

Not questioning integrity. Your opinion on the reliability of a so-called authoritative source may be different to mine.

 

[duncan mackie]

Seems like a question for English Golf Union to me. There appears to be some 'wiggle room' in the wording, so authoratative interpretation, rather than opinion, needed. Clubs/Pros (dis)allow all sorts of things they shouldn't.

They are normally pretty good at getting back quickly.

Make sure you state all relevant facts though.

I thought Rulefan had already explained that that was who he's spoken to - and named the individual?

I beleive that the correct procedure is to query with your handicap secretary who will make the contact.