Supplementary Cards

[Imurg]

As it appears I'm not going to be able to play many qualifiers this year due a busy workload on Competition day (Wednesday), I put in a Supplementary Card a few weeks back. It was a nett 67 (SSS 69) so hoping for a smallish cut.
Nothing happened so I enquired today only to be told that the Club were not accepting Supplementary Cards unless the Handicap was inactive.
I'm sure this wasn't correct and i hunted down the EGU bumph on the matter..

http://www.englishgolfunion.org/showpage.asp?code=0001000200090011

So I'm off to the club again soon to show them this and hopefully get my cut.

 

[DCB]

You may also find that due to the number of cards submitted last season from qualifying competitions (7 I think) that they cannot accept Supplementary cards this season.

 

[Imurg]

You may also find that due to the number of cards submitted last season from qualifying competitions (7 I think) that they cannot accept Supplementary cards this season.

Sorry DCB, don't follow that one....?

 

[DCB]

Read through your link to EGU, there used to be a provision where you couldn't submit supplimentary cards if you had returned 7 qualifying cards in the previous year. Seems it's been removed now. Sorry

 

[Imurg]

You had me worried for a minute there!
Bit nervous about making a fuss but it looks like I'm right so - Tally Ho!

 

[bobmac]

That's very brave of you

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Reading through the docs I'd say you're entitled to a cut. Have been thinking about submitting a couple myself this year in an aim to get my h'cap down if I can't play the midweek comps. However, it seems I can play midweek comps after work so may not need to.

 

[fundy]

maybe a slightly left field solution but if you are limited to which days you can play and the comps are on a different day have you considered changing clubs to one that would enable you to play in more comps (especially in light of your bad greens post!) not tring to plug our place, but all the midweek medals are free format any day of the week so you get to play the comp whichever day in the week you can get there to play

 

[sweatysock41]

You may also find that due to the number of cards submitted last season from qualifying competitions (7 I think) that they cannot accept Supplementary cards this season.

That was the case - it happened to me and I had a rant about not being able to maintain my handicap because of this stupid rule.
Our handicap secretary has since advised me that the rule has now been amended removing that restriction. Our committee felt that as it was the rule and a change in working ours prevented me entering sufficient cards that these were exceptional circumstances and activated my handicap again.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Maybe the 0.1 cut you get will offset the 0.1 rise following todays stableford



Fragger

 

[Imurg]

Hey Doofus!!

It would be a .4 cut.....

 

[PhilTheFragger]

yada yada yada

 

[RGDave]

..... only to be told that the Club were not accepting Supplementary Cards unless the Handicap was inactive.

It's bloomin frustrating. I handed in a supplementary card last year just to "make a point". I didn't need to.

However, which way do clubs want it? and which way do us, the members of golf clubs want it?

I'll be handing in some supplementary cards this year for sure. What are your club effectively asking?....don't bother us with a card until you've gone inactive, not before?

Come on guys and clubs and committee blokes and everyone! We want club players to prove as often as possible how they are playing to get the h'caps right - don't we?

I'd rather take on another member in the matchplay who's handed in 12 supplementaries and a few Saturday stablefords/medals than someone who's played on Sunday all year (52 times) and never has a single person look at their cards.

 

[Fyldewhite]

You have to inform the committee before you take out a card for a supplementary score. The way this reads you presumably didn't do this so they are probably quite justified in not accepting it.

It does though sound as if they are arbitarily deciding not to accept them which is wrong as they should simply implement the rules. However, I must say that I don't agree with the change this season either. I know some people struggle to get cards in but 3 in a year ?? It's an example of where the EGU live in cloud cuckoo land sometimes. Can you imagine a player off x.4 taking out a card just before a major, getting 0.1 and then winning the major by a shot? I can, and I've no idea how we'd deal with it and believe me this will happen as we (unfortunately) play golf in the real world. Our club will not be publicising this change among out membership and would hope nobody pushes the issue. That said we do run upwards of 50 qualifiers over the summer months so nobody really struggles to get their cards in.

 

[Imurg]

However, I must say that I don't agree with the change this season either. I know some people struggle to get cards in but 3 in a year ?? It's an example of where the EGU live in cloud cuckoo land sometimes. Can you imagine a player off x.4 taking out a card just before a major, getting 0.1 and then winning the major by a shot? I can, and I've no idea how we'd deal with it and believe me this will happen as we (unfortunately) play golf in the real world. Our club will not be publicising this change among out membership and would hope nobody pushes the issue. That said we do run upwards of 50 qualifiers over the summer months so nobody really struggles to get their cards in.

Just for the record - I'm a 5day member at my club. Competitions are on (mostly) alternate Wednesdays. I've just taken on new clients who can only have lessons on Wednesdays. I also have to factor in Driving tests and other things too. This means I'm going to struggle to even get 3 cards in through the year. Sorry that I live in the real world but not everyone gets to play every weekend.

 

[Fyldewhite]

Sorry, I wasn't having a pop at you or anyone else. I realise that it depends on circumstances (and the club to some extent). I'm just saying that situations like yours are fairly uncommon overall and it seems to me that most clubs are being forced to operate a system they probably don't need and which is open to abuse. The old rules on supplementary scores were fine, they targeted those who needed them. Opening it up to players who already play plenty of comps is IMHO just daft.

 

[Imurg]

But isn't the system open to abuse anyway?
Your player above off X.4 - couldn't he just deliberately play badly in the last qualifier before the Major to get his shot back?
These sort of people are going to buck the system for their own gain anyway and if they have to do that to win then most of us will feel sorry for them. But the system could let you do this without the need for Supplementary cards.
Surely anything that takes into account scores a player achieves is going to help preoduce a more accurate handicap - apart from the Bandits that is..?
Fragger is another example - he can't play all Midweek comps - he'll maybe play enough but not all. At the moment he's not even close to his handicap but he's not going up because he's not playing comps - till yesterday anyway..

I can't see the issue with it. Bandits/Cheats will be Bandits/Cheats whatever system you put in front of them.

 

[Fyldewhite]

But isn't the system open to abuse anyway?
Your player above off X.4 - couldn't he just deliberately play badly in the last qualifier before the Major to get his shot back?

Yes, it is, but this potentially makes an existing problem worse.

Surely anything that takes into account scores a player achieves is going to help preoduce a more accurate handicap

Again yes, but how much does a supplementary card usually taken out in good conditions, playing with a mate really reflect a competition round? Especially when scoring well.

Overall I totally accept the argument that supplementary scores are a good thing. I just feel than the new rules are totally OTT as 90% of players shouldn't need them.

Back to the OP, I also agree that your club should accept them in your circumstances and shouldn't overide the CONGU rules. It would be interesting to know what their logic is for the stance they appear to have on this. My main beef is the extra admin involved if we suddenly had to process loads of these cards because of a rule change made after little if any consultation with clubs.

 

[Imurg]

Back to the OP, I also agree that your club should accept them in your circumstances and shouldn't overide the CONGU rules. It would be interesting to know what their logic is for the stance they appear to have on this. My main beef is the extra admin involved if we suddenly had to process loads of these cards because of a rule change made after little if any consultation with clubs.

I'll get back to you!