Submitting 2 cards per round - WHS

[Neilds]

One of our group has a new handicap that is a bit high and doesn't fly reflect his play. He accepts this and wants to get i down as quick as possible. Another player has suggested putting in separate cards for front and back 9. Course is rated for both on EG app (only front on IG though). I can't find anything that says whether this is allowed but doesn't seem right to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction to a rule clarification?

 

[Colin L]

It doesn't seem right, does it? Offhand I can't see much point anyway. His two 9 hole scores would, in terms of adjusting his handicap, have the same effect as the 18 hole round they would otherwise comprise. The only effect I can see is to speed up the process of getting up to 20 scores in his record.

I suspect a practical difficulty. I doubt if the system would allow you to pre-register the second nine before entering the score for the first nine which might mean a time interval between playing the two halves more than would be possible or popular.

I don't have a rule to hand at the moment but will look later if no-one else has come up with one in the meantime.

 

[Bdill93]

9 hole scores arent the way to go to bring down a handicap either to be honest! 18 hole scores have a far bigger influence.

Id suggest he just submits a card every round he plays for a little while - then his handicap should reflect his "average" play.

 

[Neilds]

The main issue I did find was that the combined shots given for 2 x 9 holes is one less than for a full 18 so would actually bring his handicap down slower

 

[RichA]

Does it not also depend upon what 9-hole options the club has registered with EG?
Front 9 and back 9 aren't available in EG at ours. The registered 9 hole course uses 1-4, 16-18 (with unique tee boxes) and 2 totally separate holes from the normal course.

 

[Neilds]

Does it not also depend upon what 9-hole options the club has registered with EG?
Front 9 and back 9 aren't available in EG at ours. The registered 9 hole course uses 1-4, 16-18 (with unique tee boxes) and 2 totally separate holes from the normal course.

Both are rated on EG for us

 

[Colin L]

The main issue I did find was that the combined shots given for 2 x 9 holes is one less than for a full 18 so would actually bring his handicap down slower

Your handicap doesn't come into the handicap calculation (other than in establishing a net double bogey)

 

[wjemather]

There is nothing in the rules to explicitly legislate against submitting a score from each 9 separately (and EG's system doesn't prevent it), but it could easily (and possibly rightly) be seen as an attempt to manipulate one's handicap record, especially when the intent is clear to submit scores for all 18 holes. As such, I would strongly advise against the practice, and suggest the handicap committee should possibly re-enter such scores as a single 18 hole score.

And a few points of note from others comments...
Both 9 and 18 hole scores have exactly the same influence on the handicap calculation, but two 9 hole scores will have more effect than one 18 hole score.
Due to the "net par +1" scaling, it is potentially easier to maintain a lower handicap with 9-hole rounds because bad scores will never be as bad as 18 hole rounds can be.
Handicaps are calculated with respect to the number strokes taken, and the Course and Slope Ratings of the course played. Strokes received have no bearing on this.
WHS handicaps reflect "average best", rather than just "average", scoring.

 

[Neilds]

There is nothing in the rules to explicitly legislate against submitting a score from each 9 separately (and EG's system doesn't prevent it), but it could easily (and possibly rightly) be seen as an attempt to manipulate one's handicap record, especially when the intent is clear to submit scores for all 18 holes. As such, I would strongly advise against the practice, and suggest the handicap committee should possibly re-enter such scores as a single 18 hole score.

And a few points of note from others comments...
Both 9 and 18 hole scores have exactly the same influence on the handicap calculation, but two 9 hole scores will have more effect than one 18 hole score.
Due to the "net par +1" scaling, it is potentially easier to maintain a lower handicap with 9-hole rounds because bad scores will never be as bad as 18 hole rounds can be.
Handicaps are calculated with respect to the number strokes taken, and the Course and Slope Ratings of the course played. Strokes received have no bearing on this.
WHS handicaps reflect "average best", rather than just "average", scoring.

I agree with the bold, but was hoping for a definitive answer not a gut feeling

 

[Old Skier]

I agree with the bold, but was hoping for a definitive answer not a gut feeling

I’m away from the information but I seem to remember only one GP card per day. 2 x9 would be 2 Gen Play.

 

[rulie]

Aren't the handicap calculations done at end of day, ie, around midnight? If so, the two nine hole scores would need to be entered on different days in order to have any effect?

 

[jim8flog]

Both are rated on EG for us

Even though both are rated (as are most courses) does the computer system allow for each 9 to be input separately

Our 'registered' 9 hole for handicap is our 9 hole course and not a 9 on the 18 hole course.

 

[Bdill93]

Even though both are rated (as are most courses) does the computer system allow for each 9 to be input separately

Our 'registered' 9 hole for handicap is our 9 hole course and not a 9 on the 18 hole course.

Ours are separate.

When starting a round on the EG app you get the choice of F9 Yellow, F9 White, B9 Yellow, B9 White and then both white and yellow for 18 too.

 

[Deleted member 30522]

One of our group has a new handicap that is a bit high and doesn't fly reflect his play. He accepts this and wants to get i down as quick as possible. Another player has suggested putting in separate cards for front and back 9. Course is rated for both on EG app (only front on IG though). I can't find anything that says whether this is allowed but doesn't seem right to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction to a rule clarification?

You're right, your mate is being an absolute banger, just hand in your scores as you normally do and stop trying to manipulate the system

 

[IanMcC]

On a related note, we run a 9 hole comp on a Friday on the front 9 of our yellow course. A few people last season asked if they could, after entering the comp, carry on and play the back 9 (which is also rated) and enter that as a score as well to Wales Golf. I saw nothing wrong with this, and agreed to their request.

 

[wjemather]

There is no reason why 2 9-hole rounds cannot be submitted on the same day, the same as 2 18-hole rounds can. The potential issue only comes where it's clear that 2 9-hole rounds should really be a single 18-hole round. For example, an early morning front-9 and a late afternoon back-9 would not reasonably be considered the same 18-hole round, but front-9 followed immediately by back-9 would, especially when the intent was always to submit 18 holes.

 

[YandaB]

Section 5.5 of the WHS Rules of handicapping states:

Where applicable, a 9-hole score waiting to be combined with another 9-hole score will be retained until it becomes older than the twentieth oldest 18-hole score in the scoring record, after which it is discarded.

But this combining of 9-hole scores isn't mentioned anywhere else, it seems a little odd being so disconnected.

 

[Colin L]

Section 5.5 of the WHS Rules of handicapping states:

Where applicable, a 9-hole score waiting to be combined with another 9-hole score will be retained until it becomes older than the twentieth oldest 18-hole score in the scoring record, after which it is discarded.

But this combining of 9-hole scores isn't mentioned anywhere else, it seems a little odd being so disconnected.

That does not apply in the UK and Ireland. There was a choice in the WHS Rules between retaining a 9 hole score to be combined with another, as you describe, and scaling up each 9 hole score to an 18 hole one. CONGU opted for the latter.

 

[Foxholer]

One of our group has a new handicap that is a bit high and doesn't fly reflect his play. He accepts this and wants to get i down as quick as possible. Another player has suggested putting in separate cards for front and back 9. Course is rated for both on EG app (only front on IG though). I can't find anything that says whether this is allowed but doesn't seem right to me. Can anyone point me in the right direction to a rule clarification?

Better to simply register casual rounds as counting and get it down that way. Easier now with WHS, though each increment might not as much as pre-WHS.