Stableford rules question

[Liverbirdie]

I was playing with a mate the other night in a singles stableford white tee full handicap comp and he was playing poorly.

On our 10th hole, par 3, he slightly missed the green by 5 foot,then thinned a wedge about 80 yards onto our 18th fairway.

There were trees to come back over and didn't have much of a shot. However, he was going to pick up after only playing 2 shots (he didn't have a shot on this hole).

I suggested that he mustn't, as technically he can still score with either an up and down, or lets face it, even if he duffs one, you could put it straight in from 80 yards, however unlikely.

I presume that in a white tee official comp, you must keep trying to score, until no longer possible. I know you should pick up once you can't score, but picking up when you can still score, surely isn't right, as this can skew the marking for handicap reasons.

Anyway, he carried on, and didn't score.

 

[Imurg]

As far as I'm aware, in Stableford, you can pick up at any time....

 

[fundy]

Yep no rule to stop you picking up whenever you want. Having a bad day yesterday, drove it OOB at 16 and didnt even bother to reload just walked the hole.

 

[Val]

As far as I'm aware, in Stableford, you can pick up at any time....

Im with this too, if you stick one OB on a Par 4 with no shot for example you are potentially wasting your time playing a reload

 

[fundy]

Im with this too, if you stick one OB on a Par 4 with no shot for example you are potentially wasting your time playing a reload

I hear you sir

 

[Val]

I hear you sir

Beat me too it

 

[Liverbirdie]

I may stand corrected.

If you were playing with someone off the h/cap committee, would you still do the same?

 

[fundy]

I may stand corrected.

If you were playing with someone off the h/cap committee, would you still do the same?

Yep and have seen our handicap secretary do similar

 

[bladeplayer]

Im with this too, if you stick one OB on a Par 4 with no shot for example you are potentially wasting your time playing a reload

Agree with this ..
BUT.......
in the spirit of the game etc (i know ,I know) should you not at least play your shots until scoring chance has passed ..

Say for instance you do pick up & blob the hole .. you end up in the top end of the buffer points wise ,
WHAT IF you had played , & made birdie with the second ball , 5 in total , you would have an extra point & should be cut ..

 

[duncan mackie]

Agree with this ..
BUT.......
in the spirit of the game etc (i know ,I know) should you not at least play your shots until scoring chance has passed ..

Say for instance you do pick up & blob the hole .. you end up in the top end of the buffer points wise ,
WHAT IF you had played , & made birdie with the second ball , 5 in total , you would have an extra point & should be cut ..

you are correct in that the basis for handicapping under CONGU assumes (and states that it assumes in the manual) that every player will endeavour to do their best ...

however, I can see nothing that suggests that the decision as to when 'enough is enough' lies anywhere but in the player's head

as an example, a player may feel that taking a few moments to consider what happened and why prior to play of the next hole is more important in the context of his ultimate score for the round than trying to sink a 230 yd shot over water....especially if they can't hit it more than 180!

 

[Wolfman]

Plus it speeds up play !

 

[RGDave]

Im with this too, if you stick one OB on a Par 4 with no shot for example you are potentially wasting your time playing a reload

Depends on the length of the hole for me. On a short one, I'll give it a go. Birdie with the 2nd ball = 1 point.

 

[doublebogey7]

I was playing with a mate the other night in a singles stableford white tee full handicap comp and he was playing poorly.

On our 10th hole, par 3, he slightly missed the green by 5 foot,then thinned a wedge about 80 yards onto our 18th fairway.

There were trees to come back over and didn't have much of a shot. However, he was going to pick up after only playing 2 shots (he didn't have a shot on this hole).

I suggested that he mustn't, as technically he can still score with either an up and down, or lets face it, even if he duffs one, you could put it straight in from 80 yards, however unlikely.

I presume that in a white tee official comp, you must keep trying to score, until no longer possible. I know you should pick up once you can't score, but picking up when you can still score, surely isn't right, as this can skew the marking for handicap reasons.

Anyway, he carried on, and didn't score.

Think we may be back on the question on advice here.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Devil's advocate..... So if you're a bandit trying to keep your handicap artificially high you don't even have to try to play badly - just pick up as soon as you hit a little trouble?

 

[CliveW]

I suggested that he mustn't, as technically he can still score with either an up and down, or lets face it, even if he duffs one, you could put it straight in from 80 yards, however unlikely.

And I assume you took a two stroke penalty for giving advice? (Rule 8.1)

 

[Liverbirdie]

The thing is, he played onto the green with his 3rd, had a 15 foot putt, which he narrowly missed for a point.

Advice, that was gonna be a seperate point.

 

[Foxholer]

Yep. Up to player when he/she wishes to pick up.

And if you always phrase Rules issues as a question, any challenge about 'advice' can easily be countered!