Stableford mess up

[chrisd]

1st group out went off, on the 1st tee, more than 5 minutes early, the 1st player hit his drive off the tee and then another player in the group said that he'd just remembered that they should have been starting on the 10th. Player one collected his ball and they walked to the 10th and started again at the allotted start time.

This was a Stableford, I just wondered what the penalty situation should be?

 

[fundy]

for me there shouldnt be one but no doubt some on here will want the players hung drawn and quartered for either playing too early, playing the wrong hole, practising on the course or a combination of the above lol

 

[Three]

for me there shouldnt be one but no doubt some on here will want the players hung drawn and quartered for either playing too early, playing the wrong hole, practising on the course or a combination of the above lol

So you don't believe that rules should apply then?

The guy that hit the shot played from outside the correct teeing ground, so obviously he incurs the penalty for that.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Think you could have a field day here.

Simplest solution is penalise him 2 shots for practicing on the course and suggest he goes to Specsavers.

 

[Three]

Think you could have a field day here.

Simplest solution is penalise him 2 shots for practicing on the course and suggest he goes to Specsavers.

He wasn't practicing.
He teed off in the competition, but he was outside the teeing ground.
Simple.

 

[Jensen]

Logic, I would have thought he would incur a 2 shot penalty, when he plays this hole.
However this is golf and the rules are far from logic at times... C

 

[patricks148]

for me there shouldnt be one but no doubt some on here will want the players hung drawn and quartered for either playing too early, playing the wrong hole, practising on the course or a combination of the above lol

Hung drawn and quartering is to good for him IMO

 

[backwoodsman]

I'll go with DQ for practice on the course before a round! (Rule 7.1b)

Reasoning: it was before the allotted start time and was not at the designated start point. Hence i think it difficult to say the action was part of the players round - even though the player was intending it to be..

Had they stated at correct time, but wrong tee, then I'd probably go with the two penalty shots for wrong tee.

 

[Three]

i'll go with dq for practice on the course before a round! (rule 7.1b)

reasoning: It was before the allotted start time and was not at the designated start point. Hence i think it difficult to say the action was part of the players round - even though the player was intending it to be..

Had they stated at correct time, but wrong tee, then i'd probably go with the two penalty shots for wrong tee.

he
was
not
practicing..... 😨😨😨

 

[rulefan]

11-4b 2sp

6-3a/5 DQ unless he started less than 5 min early, in which case no additional penalty (1-4/12(4).

 

[Three]

11-4b 2sp

6-3a/5 DQ unless he started less than 5 min early, in which case no additional penalty (1-4/12(4).

Wow, who woulda thunk it.....

 

[srixon 1]

It's just the same as if he had played from the yellow tees instead of the whites. Done that one myself before.

 

[backwoodsman]

he
was
not
practicing..... 😨😨😨

I am of course aware you'd said such earlier in the thread. But...

He was on a part of the course where he should not have been; he was was there at a time when he should not have been; and he played a full-blown shot. My point is that although he believed he was playing his first legitimate shot of the round, separation by both time & space make it difficult to justify the action as his attempt to start his round. His action was no different to anyone making a practice stroke on the course prior to a round - even though he neither intended or believed it to be so.

They were more than 5 mins ahead of their scheduled start time so, my justifications would be
a. Correct tee but way too early - DQ for starting early (rule 6.3a)
b. Correct time but wrong tee - 2 stroke penalty for wrong teeing ground (rule 11.5)
c. Wrong place and wrong time - cant count as anything but a practice shot on the course - so DQ for practice (rule 7.1b)

Obviously someone may disagree with this, but if they do, I'd prefer to see a reasoned argument why - rather than a bald statement.

(But as penalty for starting more than 5min early is DQ, then I could reasonably happily go along with rulefan anyway)

 

[Colin L]

11-4b 2sp

6-3a/5 DQ unless he started less than 5 min early, in which case no additional penalty (1-4/12(4).

No difficulty in agreeing that you apply R11-4b and D6-3a/5. Practising on the course does not come into it.

But I have difficulty in seeing starting early and playing from outside the teeing ground as being related. Would you make the same ruling had he started early from the correct tee but had played from in front of the markers? I would have applied D6-3a/5.

Mind you I generally find D1-4/12 difficult.

 

[Crazyface]

11-4b 2sp

6-3a/5 DQ unless he started less than 5 min early, in which case no additional penalty (1-4/12(4).

End of discussion of ruling. Was the player disqualified then?? Has he resigned from the club in disgust? Has the comp sec now got a large scratch mark down the side of their car?

 

[duncan mackie]

End of discussion of ruling. Was the player disqualified then?? Has he resigned from the club in disgust? Has the comp sec now got a large scratch mark down the side of their car?

Ah....you are at that stage of Comp Sec paranoia... 🤗

 

[duncan mackie]

No difficulty in agreeing that you apply R11-4b and D6-3a/5. Practising on the course does not come into it.

But I have difficulty in seeing starting early and playing from outside the teeing ground as being related. Would you make the same ruling had he started early from the correct tee but had played from in front of the markers? I would have applied D6-3a/5.

Mind you I generally find D1-4/12 difficult.

Whilst not 'related', the two breaches are the result of a single act so it single penalty

 

[Three]

I am of course aware you'd said such earlier in the thread. But...

He was on a part of the course where he should not have been; he was was there at a time when he should not have been; and he played a full-blown shot. My point is that although he believed he was playing his first legitimate shot of the round, separation by both time & space make it difficult to justify the action as his attempt to start his round. His action was no different to anyone making a practice stroke on the course prior to a round - even though he neither intended or believed it to be so.

They were more than 5 mins ahead of their scheduled start time so, my justifications would be
a. Correct tee but way too early - DQ for starting early (rule 6.3a)
b. Correct time but wrong tee - 2 stroke penalty for wrong teeing ground (rule 11.5)
c. Wrong place and wrong time - cant count as anything but a practice shot on the course - so DQ for practice (rule 7.1b)

Obviously someone may disagree with this, but if they do, I'd prefer to see a reasoned argument why - rather than a bald statement.

(But as penalty for starting more than 5min early is DQ, then I could reasonably happily go along with rulefan anyway)

Let me give you a clue :
Was he practicing?

It's been answered, he teed off outside the teeing ground then rectified his mistake.
Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Let me give you a clue :
Was he practicing?

It's been answered, he teed off outside the teeing ground BEFORE his allocated tee time.

Yes, he was practising.

 

[Three]

Yes, he was practising.

Obviously he wasn't as he thought he was hitting his first tee shot.
With regards to the time, it was just a club stableford, probably most clubs are more than happy for players go off a few minutes earlier if they are all ready and everything is clear.