sawtooth
Tour Winner
If a player leaves the course after completing only 9 holes in a Stableford comp would this be a disqualification? And if so under what ruling?
Stableford Disqualification
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Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Was there a reason for leaving the course? I.e. injury? Or just because they weren't playing well or could no longer be bothered for some other reason?
I have no idea if that makes a difference, but I suspect it could.
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Can't see why he would be DQ as long as the card was signed and HC was on the card. He would just get the amount of points he has scored
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Rule 6-8? Is this not a discontinuance of play?
sawtooth
Tour Winner
I think you might be right. I dq'd on the basis of discontinuation of play (without committee approval). But its not that.
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Why is it not 6-8a?
I appreciate that rule is considering whether it's permissable to take a break mid round, but if the break is permanent, wouldn't you also fall foul of it?
I appreciate that rule is considering whether it's permissable to take a break mid round, but if the break is permanent, wouldn't you also fall foul of it?
sawtooth
Tour Winner
This wasn't a trick question but I was in the group with the person in question last Sunday. As handicap sec I am part of the committee therefore he did not leave wihout permission!
Just wondered if I could get him on anything else.
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
Ah sorry - I misunderstood what you meant. So he would have fallen foul of 6-8a had he not had your permission?
Out of interest, does your giving of permission count as permission of the committee? I mean, can one member of the committee (i.e. you) bind the committee to a decision while out on the course taking part in a competition?
Out of interest, does your giving of permission count as permission of the committee? I mean, can one member of the committee (i.e. you) bind the committee to a decision while out on the course taking part in a competition?
Colin L
Tour Winner
In a previous thread on this topic, I initially argued that the player in these circumstances should be disqualified but had misgivings because you are permitted to omit a hole or holes in a stableford competition. (See Decision 33-1/2)
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-32,d32-1-2
I was then persuaded I was wrong.
As you are permitted to omit holes, you can't distinguish amongst the holes: it could be last two, the first two, or the last nine. The player who plays nine holes and goes in is credited with the points earned.
All he needs is a nett eagle on each of the nine holes to play to his handicap.
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-32,d32-1-2
I was then persuaded I was wrong.
As you are permitted to omit holes, you can't distinguish amongst the holes: it could be last two, the first two, or the last nine. The player who plays nine holes and goes in is credited with the points earned.
All he needs is a nett eagle on each of the nine holes to play to his handicap.
Canary_Yellow
Journeyman Pro
In a previous thread on this topic, I initially argued that the player in these circumstances should be disqualified but had misgivings because you are permitted to omit a hole or holes in a stableford competition. (See Decision 33-1/2)
http://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-decisions.html#!decision-32,d32-1-2
I was then persuaded I was wrong.
As you are permitted to omit holes, you can't distinguish amongst the holes: it could be last two, the first two, or the last nine. The player who plays nine holes and goes in is credited with the points earned.
All he needs is a nett eagle on each of the nine holes to play to his handicap.
And it doesn't matter that play was discontinued? That to me is different to just not entering a score for some holes.
Tarkus1212
Challenge Tour Pro
If a player chooses not to score on or even play a hole or holes that is fine, but walking off the course without good reason would be a serious offence at my club and punishable with a 3 match ban and a warning as to future conduct. Illness, injury or family emergency are about all that you'd get away with, you can't just walk off because you're playing badly.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
CVG and myself walked in after 13 holes of a Stableford last year due to incredibly slow play in front. 3 1/2 hours for 13 holeswhe , as a 2,we should been all the way round in a little over 2.
We signed cards and put them in the box...We came equal last but no DQ....
We signed cards and put them in the box...We came equal last but no DQ....
Colin L
Tour Winner
That would be a club matter and the sanction of banning a member from entering a future competition is available to the club. A DQ from the stableford competition is not.
sawtooth
Tour Winner
So walking off during a stableford comp due to being fed up is DQ'able under ruling 6-8? or not?
In club golf how can one get approval (to discontinue) on the course from the committee or is this granted retrospectively?
My case above is not really a real world example because we don't really have a committee any longer since the club was disbanded. No single committee person I believe could grant approval on the course if they happened to be in the same group as someone who walked off.
In club golf how can one get approval (to discontinue) on the course from the committee or is this granted retrospectively?
My case above is not really a real world example because we don't really have a committee any longer since the club was disbanded. No single committee person I believe could grant approval on the course if they happened to be in the same group as someone who walked off.
Tarkus1212
Challenge Tour Pro
If the player chooses not to play one or more holes in a Stableford then he returns whatever score he has acquired on those holes he did play. He'll get 0.1 back, as he would if he was DQ'd, so what's the difference?
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
What's the point in DQing him though ?
Tarkus1212
Challenge Tour Pro
In Stableford, none whatsoever.
D
Deleted member 16999
Guest
What if he's in the last group and he knows he's got the winning score after 15-16 holes, he could NR the remaining and walk in and win!
Crow
Crow Person
I can't see anything wrong with that or why he should be DQ'd for it.
Tarkus1212
Challenge Tour Pro
Me neither
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