So, was Sergio right....?

[Imurg]

Conceding Fowler's 20 footer may have cost him the match.
Gentlemanly - absolutely....
Wise - maybe not, after all it wasn't a knockabout for a fiver....

Although I can understand why he did it, I'm not sure if it was the right thing - and I'm sure PaulMc won't want him doing that this Autumn....or would he?

 

[Birchy]

No. He is a complete idiot! If he took too long to take a drop he would of been penalised.

P.S This has nothing to do with him being the star man in my fantasy team :thup:

 

[Khamelion]

No. He is a complete idiot! If he took too long to take a drop he would of been penalised.

P.S This has nothing to do with him being the star man in my fantasy team :thup:

Sky did a catch up piece wit hall the stars, Donald, Kaymer, Poulter etc... and all said, bar Poulter, that a gimme was 2ft to 3ft, Poulter said it would depend on the circumstances.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sky did a catch up piece wit hall the stars, Donald, Kaymer, Poulter etc... and all said, bar Poulter, that a gimme was 2ft to 3ft, Poulter said it would depend on the circumstances.

What happened? I'm guessing Fowler had two for it from 20ft and Garcia conceded?

Depending upon the putt - I may well have done the same. If straightforward level putt with little borrow and Fowler putting even just OK then I may well also have conceded. So he's definitely not an idiot.

 

[Imurg]

What happened? I'm guessing his opponent had two for it from 20ft and he conceded?

Sergio needed a drop away from a bee's nest. It did take along time but it was necessary On the next green, Sergio was 6-7 feet away and Rickie was about 20 Sergio offered the half and Rickie obviously accepted. Sergio was 2 up, went 3 up at the following hole so could have been 4 up.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Sergio needed a drop away from a bee's nest. It did take along time but it was necessary On the next green, Sergio was 6-7 feet away and Rickie was about 20 Sergio offered the half and Rickie obviously accepted. Sergio was 2 up, went 3 up at the following hole so could have been 4 up.

They were on the green of the hole that had the delay while Garcia took the drop? If so then Garcia was doing an honourable thing recognising that the long delay may well have broken Fowler's concentration. Different. But I can also imagine if in a match I have messed around (all within the rules and with me not deliberately being slow or awkward) and as a result we've taken ages to get to the green I might just offer such a half

 

[Imurg]

Drop was on 5, concession on 6 ( I think)

 

[G_Mulligan]

whether he was right or wrong on this particular incident is clearly up for debate. What it may highlight is a lack of killer instinct that may be one reason he is yet to win the major his talent deserves. Would Faldo or Tiger do something like this? Would Schumacher allow a competitor back through on the next corner if he caused them to lose position? Not a chance in hell.

Stephen Hendry once said when I have an opponent down I step on their throat! Phil Taylor would be exactly the same.

 

[One Planer]

Right or wrong, only he can decide that.

In the context of match play, totally wrong IMO.

Yes Fowler may have lagged to given distance, and Sergio would have probably done the same, but on those greens, from 20ft anything could happen.

I think Sergio didn't fancy his putt and with him being a shonky putter anyway probably thought it best to move on.

 

[Khamelion]

whether he was right or wrong on this particular incident is clearly up for debate. What it may highlight is a lack of killer instinct that may be one reason he is yet to win the major his talent deserves. Would Faldo or Tiger do something like this? Would Schumacher allow a competitor back through on the next corner if he caused them to lose position? Not a chance in hell.

Stephen Hendry once said when I have an opponent down I step on their throat! Phil Taylor would be exactly the same.

The way Sergio described it to camera afterwards, was that his drop (due to bees nest) had taken a long time and Fowler had played a good shot into the green and had had to wait, Sergio conceded a 20ft putt. Sergio said to camera that it [golf] was a gentleman's game and that he conceded the putt for the above reason and to make him feel better.

 

[bobmac]

What it may highlight is a lack of killer instinct that may be one reason he is yet to win the major

I seem to remember Jack Nicklaus giving Tony Jacklin a fairly important putt a few years ago and he won a few majors.

 

[Imurg]

I seem to remember Jack Nicklaus giving Tony Jacklin a fairly important putt a few years ago and he won a few majors.

I guess the difference with that one is that it didn't change he outcome of the RC, just that singles match and it was on the last, so it was almost inconsequential...
Would Jack have done a Sergio earlier in the round??
I doubt it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Whilst I applaud Garcia for holding up the traditions of the game and displaying a magnificent display of sportsmanship, I'm not sure it was the best thing to do. He was a few holes up and so Fowler obviously played well to come through eventually. Would it happen in an RC match? I doubt it. Is that right or wrong? If we win, of course !!!!! What would Garcia have done if this had been strokeplay though and still had the delay? He can't help all those mooching around behind

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Personally I think it was a stupid thing to do but he did what was right in his mind. If he felt bad about how long the drop took he should have just apologised to Fowler on the 7th tee, Fowler would have probably said not to worry about it, these things happen and they could have got on with it. There was no guarantee Fowler was going to make the birdie putt on 6 regardless of the delay.

 

[Birchy]

Was it even sportsmanship though? Fowler didn't have a clue what he was doing!

I would file it more under lunacy myself

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The way Sergio described it to camera afterwards, was that his drop (due to bees nest) had taken a long time and Fowler had played a good shot into the green and had had to wait, Sergio conceded a 20ft putt. Sergio said to camera that it [golf] was a gentleman's game and that he conceded the putt for the above reason and to make him feel better.

And I think that that is fair and honest thinking. To say he was 'wrong' in my opinion misses completely one of the key tenets of golf - consideration and respect for your opponent. He absolutely was not 'wrong'. In what Garcia did the only consideration of what is 'right' and 'wrong' that comes into it is what Garcia considers the appropriate thing for him to do.

And as it wasn't a team scenario then projecting about what others might have thought or done are really besides the point as he himself may well have acted differently. Who knows. Well nobody actually.

 

[Fyldewhite]

We all know that golf is played "between the ears" and if he had something bugging him it was probably wise to get it out of his system and play the rest of the round with a clear head. Also, it's difficult to tell how the putts matched up in terms of difficulty from the TV. Yes Fowler was futher away but that's not always the key factor. He must have had his reasons and I believe he's played a bit before so I'd trust he knows what he's doing on a golf course. I don't feel qualified to judge if he was right or wrong, only he will know that.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

And I think that that is fair and honest thinking. To say he was 'wrong' in my opinion misses completely one of the key tenets of golf - consideration and respect for your opponent. He absolutely was not 'wrong'. In what Garcia did the only consideration of what is 'right' and 'wrong' that comes into it is what Garcia considers the appropriate thing for him to do.

And as it wasn't a team scenario then projecting about what others might have thought or done are really besides the point as he himself may well have acted differently. Who knows. Well nobody actually.

I wouldn't say he was wrong just a bit silly.

I wonder if he would have done it if he was 2 down and not 2 up?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

He must have had his reasons and I believe he's played a bit before so I'd trust he knows what he's doing on a golf course. I don't feel qualified to judge if he was right or wrong, only he will know that.

I'm with you on that 100%

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wouldn't say he was wrong just a bit silly.

I wonder if he would have done it if he was 2 down and not 2 up?

But thing is - he wasn't