Beezerk
Money List Winner
What IS the correct procedure should you see it happening on the course?
So cheating...
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Old Skier
Tour Winner
Report it to the organizing committee as soon as you get back to the club house. Personnaly I would also let the offender know that I had seen it at the time of the offense and let them know I would be reporting it. I would however, understand why some might not like to confront the individual on the course.
stevelev
Journeyman Pro
Also if it is the person you are marking for you must not sign the card with a score you know to be incorrect.
Under Rule 6-6 after each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor, it is then you have the opportunity to rectify and wrong scores or the competitor has the chance to return to where the first offence was committed and play again adding the relevant penalty before teeing off on the next hole.
If the competitor knowingly allows a wrong score to be entered and tees off on the next hole he is liable for DQ
Under Rule 6-6 after each hole the marker should check the score with the competitor, it is then you have the opportunity to rectify and wrong scores or the competitor has the chance to return to where the first offence was committed and play again adding the relevant penalty before teeing off on the next hole.
If the competitor knowingly allows a wrong score to be entered and tees off on the next hole he is liable for DQ
badgermat
Club Champion
Hosel Fade
Tour Rookie
What did you see? The classic marker in front of the ball move, the crass dropping a ball in the rough then "found it" or something comically horrendous?
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I have never witnessed cheating by a fellow competitor during an official competition but once saw a "friend" of ours blatantly cheating on a week-end trip once. We always as a group had our suspicions that he was up to no good, but up until that time I had given him the benefit of the doubt.
I couldn't believe what I had seen him do, and was literally gobsmacked. I mentioned it straight away to another friend who was playing in the same fourball, asking him if he had seen it, which he hadn't.
I was going to rip into said "friend" but was advised not to as it was the 1st round of the week-end and it would likely have caused an "atmosphere" for the rest of the visit, so unusually (for me) I bit my tongue.
But since that time (about 5 or 6 years ago, maybe more) I have regretted not saying anything. It still annoys me now that I never called him out.
Don't play with him anymore, haven't seen him for years. But if I bumped into him again and the subject of cheating came up in conversation I would let him know that I saw him do it.
I couldn't believe what I had seen him do, and was literally gobsmacked. I mentioned it straight away to another friend who was playing in the same fourball, asking him if he had seen it, which he hadn't.
I was going to rip into said "friend" but was advised not to as it was the 1st round of the week-end and it would likely have caused an "atmosphere" for the rest of the visit, so unusually (for me) I bit my tongue.
But since that time (about 5 or 6 years ago, maybe more) I have regretted not saying anything. It still annoys me now that I never called him out.
Don't play with him anymore, haven't seen him for years. But if I bumped into him again and the subject of cheating came up in conversation I would let him know that I saw him do it.
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
Could also ask the club, they might have a "best practice" for it.
Well most things would be documented like that if I ran s club 😄
Well most things would be documented like that if I ran s club 😄
If in your group, have a quiet word. Ask them to NR. If they refuse, refuse to sign the card.
if it's another group, find out if they had already NR - maybe check on HDID. Tell the chairman of comps.
and it's your word against theirs. Be prepared for a rough ride.
if it's another group, find out if they had already NR - maybe check on HDID. Tell the chairman of comps.
and it's your word against theirs. Be prepared for a rough ride.
Has anyone seen anyone cheat at a forum meet :mmm: and if you did, would you announce it?
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I've never witnessed anything Robin, but if it was a deliberate "cheat" rather than a genuine rules mix-up, I would definitely call it.
As I say, I've rued the day that I didn't call out my "friend".
chrisd
Major Champion
I've seen several really bad rules infringements but never blatant cheating. I'd be like Smiffy and confront it if I was certain what I'd seen.
irip
Head Pro
We had suspicions that one of our members was cheating, in fact we knew he was but as no one had actually said anything to him at the time he was caught it was very hard to do anything, after about the fourth time he had been seen we invited him to a committe meeting and asked him directly about each incident he explained it was not cheating only him not understanding the rules, we accepted this and let him carry on.
The next comp i was drawn with him, on the very first hole he hit his ball into the rough walked straight to it and declared he had found his ball, after he had hit i walked through the rough and found a ball which i picked up, on the green i looked at his ball which was a callaway and asked again is that your ball which he confirmed, when i produced the titleist i had found complete with his markings on he tried to say he had lost that ball last week, i just laughed gave him his ball back and explained it was probably better if i walked in now.
As soon as i got back in i reported it to the rest of the committee, and strangely enough he resigned from the club the next day.
Would i do it again 100%, and that is whether its a friendly knock or a comp, although there is a difference between cheating and being unsure of the rules, you can normally tell because the person who is unsure will generally ask his playing partners/fellow competitors
The next comp i was drawn with him, on the very first hole he hit his ball into the rough walked straight to it and declared he had found his ball, after he had hit i walked through the rough and found a ball which i picked up, on the green i looked at his ball which was a callaway and asked again is that your ball which he confirmed, when i produced the titleist i had found complete with his markings on he tried to say he had lost that ball last week, i just laughed gave him his ball back and explained it was probably better if i walked in now.
As soon as i got back in i reported it to the rest of the committee, and strangely enough he resigned from the club the next day.
Would i do it again 100%, and that is whether its a friendly knock or a comp, although there is a difference between cheating and being unsure of the rules, you can normally tell because the person who is unsure will generally ask his playing partners/fellow competitors
Seen blatant cheating (finding a ball in deep foliage where even David Attenborough wouldn't go, and then having enough room for a perfect swing) but never in a forum meet and nor would I ever expect to. The guy caught cheating got outed and left the club under a dark cloud
dewsweeper
Tour Rookie
Are "forumers" immune from human frailty Homer?
After nearly 5 decades of playing golf I think blatant cheating is rare but no
one section of could be guaranteed to be without fault.
Beezerk
Money List Winner
That's the thing Brian, we didn't know if he'd NR'd and we didn't want a confrontation on the course. His grandson is the young shining light of the club, plays for the county I believe, he was in the bar with him afterwards so again we didn't want to embarrass him in front of him. Thing is the guy is a serial offender, everyone knows he does it, but so blatantly yesterday was quite a shock.
Oh aye, two of us saw it happen, his first leather wedge didn't go far enough so he nonchalantly knocked it out with his iron to make sure he had a shot.
Wayman
Tour Winner
Email the club
Follow up with a phone call to make sure they have it
And ask for a response
Make sure it's dealt with they have a tendency to "brush" things under the carpet for one of the squad lads
Follow up with a phone call to make sure they have it
And ask for a response
Make sure it's dealt with they have a tendency to "brush" things under the carpet for one of the squad lads
Yes, i witnessed someone cheating and the hassle was not worth it. you get their mates and family questioning you and had a few awkward games.
it is the right thing to do reporting them, but be prepared
Of course they aren't. However in the case of H4H and other meets I'd hope there would be a degree of respect that the day is bigger than the result and that no-one would put other forum members and organisers in such a difficult position. I personally feel (hope) there's a better shared feeling of integrity on here than perhaps in the average club.
freddielong
Tour Winner
I played with a guy who tried to give me the wrong score for a hole, he said had a par 4 but he had missed a 4 foot putt for par, I told him he had a 5 but he repeated that he had a 4 but in a much firmer way, I told him he was wrong and told him to review the hole in his head, again he said 4, so I described each of his shots back to him at which point he accepted he played 5.
I know this may not have been cheating but it felt like he knew what he was doing and had done it before.
I know this may not have been cheating but it felt like he knew what he was doing and had done it before.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Ahh you've met Ruben Ripley too!
