Scotland Independance vote

[chrisd]

It's all starting to heat up now, I can understand to a point, that if Scotland want to pull out of the Union that is their decision and they should be able to vote accordingly.

I have to ask though - if the ballot paper is to ask whether the Scots want the D Max option on the ballot paper then - why are we English not getting a vote??


Chris

 

[Imurg]

And why do we not have an English Parliament...?
Scots, Welsh and N.Irish have....?

Could be a stand-up fight between Salmond and Cammo - should be good for a laugh.

 

[Dodger]

If you vote in an Election you generally vote for where you live don't you?

Folk that live in Devon don't get to have a say in what happens on Tyneside....

A lot of exiled Scot's are arguing that they want to have a say.....tough luck is my take on it,I am all for it but if Salmond has his way I won't get a say in it which is tough luck.That said there are plenty English who have seen the light and are living in our wonderful country that will get a say in it.

 

[Captainron]

Dodger makes a very good point. Agree wholeheartedly. I don't vote in the South African elections because I chose to move over here. I might not agree with everything that happens in South Africa but my opinion counts for nothing there anymore. I wonder if the vote was extended to see what the English thought how big the turnout would be. Most of the people round here don't care who runs their constituency judging by the last figures so how much heed will they pay to the potential Independence of Scotland?
I might go and watch Braveheart for a bit of inspiration

 

[chrisd]

If you vote in an Election you generally vote for where you live don't you?

Folk that live in Devon don't get to have a say in what happens on Tyneside....

A lot of exiled Scot's are arguing that they want to have a say.....tough luck is my take on it,I am all for it but if Salmond has his way I won't get a say in it which is tough luck.That said there are plenty English who have seen the light and are living in our wonderful country that will get a say in it.

The point surely is, we English don't have, understandably, a say in Scotland wishing to vote on leaving the Union. We could ask to have our own vote on England leaving the Union if we wanted to. The question I was asking is, if the vote that Salmond proposes is for the D Max option, why do we not get to vote on whether we, the English, agree to as well, and I guess you would also have to include the Welsh and Irish as well, although, as has been pointed out, we are the only country who doen't have devolved powers ourselves.


Chris

 

[thecraw]

Mr Salmond is a very very intelligent and astute man. He's not some ginger haired, porridge eating, kilt wearing, irn bru guzzling idiot that a lot of the English press like to think.

Interesting times ahead. Plus he got the go ahead rubber stamped, signed sealed and delivered for Mr Trumps new course!


:thup:

 

[chris661]

Mr Salmond is a very very intelligent and astute man. He's not some ginger haired, porridge eating, kilt wearing, irn bru guzzling idiot that a lot of the English press like to think.

Interesting times ahead. Plus he got the go ahead rubber stamped, signed sealed and delivered for Mr Trumps new course!


:thup:

But he is a buffoon if he thinks independence will cure all Scotlands ills.

 

[chrisd]

Mr Salmond is a very very intelligent and astute man. He's not some ginger haired, porridge eating, kilt wearing, irn bru guzzling idiot that a lot of the English press like to think.

Interesting times ahead. Plus he got the go ahead rubber stamped, signed sealed and delivered for Mr Trumps new course!


:thup:

He was rightly described on the BBC news the other day as one of the most astute politicians in the whole of Europe and I believe that is accurate

But he is a buffoon if he thinks independence will cure all Scotlands ills.

He doesn't, what he wants is DMax in my opinion, only 34 to 38% of Scots are likely to vote for a split of the Union whereas DMax is likely to be an overwhelming yes vote


Chris

 

[Hobbit]

To me this is like the debate about should "we" be in Europe. Either we're fully in or fully out, this half hearted faff achieves nowt. And personally I'd say the same should apply to a Scottish referendum. Either a wholly committed part of the Union or go their own way.

Why can't Westminster make the decision for Salmond, i.e. give the Scots a referendum on in or out?

 

[HotDogAssassin]

If it does go through can we rebuild the wall and make it a bit higher next time? :ears:

 

[Adi2Dassler]

But he is a buffoon if he thinks independence will cure all Scotlands ills.

I'm not sure he thinks that at all.Scotland is the sick man of Europe with shameful health records.Being independent and not saddled with the likes of trident or hugely expensive wars might allow our health issues to be addressed.

And leaving aside the oil/gas vs Barnett argument, Scotland can raise finances thru all the same ways the The current UK govt does...VAT,tax etc.We'd be entitled to a proportion of Uk assets but also be due a proportion of UK deficit.

We'd also be reliant on trade with England, and vice versa, so it's not as if we'd pull up the gate.

Interesting that Salmond wants 16 & 17 year olds to be able to vote, and that the coalition govt does not.

I'm excited by this upcoming debate, hopefully as many people as possible get engaged by it and leave personalities out of it.2014 could be the most important year in The UK's entire history, the right choice has to be made.

 

[bigslice]

If it does go through can we rebuild the wall and make it a bit higher next time? :ears:

lol but leave a wee gap for our advance party to return

 

[HotDogAssassin]

We'd also be reliant on trade with England, and vice versa, so it's not as if we'd pull up the gate.​

So if we stop buying Whisky and Shortbread, Scotland are stuffed!

 

[HotDogAssassin]

lol but leave a wee gap for our advance party to return

It's ok, I think we've still got some catapults in Cumbria, so we'll get them back to you.

 

[NWJocko]

Interesting that Salmond wants 16 & 17 year olds to be able to vote, and that the coalition govt does not.

I'm excited by this upcoming debate, hopefully as many people as possible get engaged by it and leave personalities out of it.2014 could be the most important year in The UK's entire history, the right choice has to be made.

The point about 16/17 year olds is very astute by Salmond as people of that age tend to be more nationalistic without considering the wider implications. Therefore, I'd imagine it will boost the numbers voting in favour.

A number of my friends were all for independence when we were that age but their enthusiasm has waned somewhat over the years when they can appreciate the consequences with a more mature head.

What do you think the "right choice" is?

Obviously, now I live in England, I am out of it but I have a bad feeling about it all. I must stress that is not borne out of any research etc just a gut feeling!

 

[Val]

Salmond is a bright guy but he is an ego maniac, independance for us in Scotland is wrong and it would cost the Scottish tax payer an absolute fortune I reckon.

All this talk of stop buying whiskey and Scotland is stuffed is absolute nonsense, Scotland could probably cope on it's own, we generate more to the UK GDP per head of population than is done in England and Wales but that Im afraid is not good enough to be independant.

British by birth but Scottish by the grace of god, Im as patriotic ass the next Scot but im not stupid.

 

[Monty_Brown]

I am happy to let the Scottish people decide their destiny, as long as the debate is clear and open... which I doubt as both sides have political agendas to pursue. Twas ever thus, I suppose.

We'll keep the gas and oil though for England though, obviously.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

it would cost the Scottish tax payer an absolute fortune I reckon.

Scotland could probably cope on it's own, we generate more to the UK GDP per head of population than is done in England and Wales

but im not stupid.

Oooft.nice contradictions there mate!

 

[chrisd]

Im as patriotic ass the next Scot but im not stupid.

I feel a poll coming on



Chris

 

[lobthewedge]

Totally agree, Salmond is a very intelligent man, a hugely effective politician and in my opinion a good first minister for Scotland. I just wish he would stick to running Scotland, fighting our corner and leave this independance pish well alone.

He will never win a legitimate in/out referendum, the majority of Scots see the benefit of being a British citizen and want to remain in the Union. So it is greatly disappointing to see him trying to weasel his way to a win by allowing easily influenced children to vote and also tapping into the Bannockburn anniversary in 2014. It is too important a question and should not be played with.