Rules on Temporary Greens... anyone?

[vkurup]

What are the rules on temp greens? I played at Silvermere yesterday.. They had temp greens circled on most holes, but the flags were on the normal greens!!. Couple of my approach shots landed on the temp greens. Was not sure if I could chip from there or only used a putter. I ended up using the putter - but there was plenty of green fringe grass between temp and regular greens. Any suggestions

 

[Whee]

I asked this a while back - most replies stated that at their course the temp green would be marked as GUR.

I had a medal round where I hit 7 or 8 of the temp greens, and played a wedge from each one - no point making the game harder by trying to putt from that crap, through the long stuff all the way up to the green?

 

[DCB]

Check the notice board before you go out. The club may have a local rule that states you must take relief as it is classes as GUR when not in use.

It's just plain stupid to take chunks out of the winter green with a wedge when the main green is in use.

 

[brendy]

We take a free drop at our place as they are GUR.

 

[vkurup]

Interesting, but the notice outside talked about GUR and Temp Green seperately. Never thought of considering Temp as GUR.

 

[rosecott]

If a player’s ball lies on a [FONT=arial !important]wrong putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#wrong putting green[/FONT], he must not play the ball as it lies. He must take relief, without penalty, as follows:
The player must lift the ball and drop it within one club-length of and not nearer the [FONT=arial !important]holehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#hole[/FONT] than the [FONT=arial !important]nearest point of reliefhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#nearest point of relief[/FONT]. The [FONT=arial !important]nearest point of relief http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#nearest point of relief[/FONT]must not be in a [FONT=arial !important]hazardhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#hazard[/FONT] or on a [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT]. When dropping the ball within one club-length of the [FONT=arial !important]nearest point of reliefhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#nearest point of relief[/FONT], the ball must first strike a part of the [FONT=arial !important]coursehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#course[/FONT] at a spot that avoids interference by the [FONT=arial !important]wrong putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#wrong putting green[/FONT] and is not in a [FONT=arial !important]hazardhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#hazard[/FONT] and not on a [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT]. The ball may be cleaned when lifted under this Rule.

Definition:


[FONT=arial !important]Wrong Putting Green

A“[FONT=arial !important]wrong putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#wrong putting green[/FONT]”is any [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT] other than that of the hole being played. Unless otherwise prescribed by the [FONT=arial !important]Committeehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#Committee[/FONT],this term includes a practice [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT] or pitching green on the [FONT=arial !important]coursehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#course[/FONT].
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[thecraw]

They should be GUR, as DCB says it should be in the notice board if not marked on the greens.

 

[vkurup]

Thanks rosecott....

... The defence rests..

 

[bobmac]

Thanks rosecott....

... The defence rests..

So, not GUR then?

 

[Billysboots]

They should be GUR, but even if not marked I would like to think that common sense would prevail!

 

[DCB]

Definition:


[FONT=arial !important]Wrong Putting Green

A“[FONT=arial !important]wrong putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#wrong putting green[/FONT]”is any [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT] other than that of the hole being played. Unless otherwise prescribed by the [FONT=arial !important]Committeehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#Committee[/FONT],this term includes a practice [FONT=arial !important]putting greenhttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#putting green[/FONT] or pitching green on the [FONT=arial !important]coursehttp://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#course[/FONT].
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Critical words in there are 'other than'. A temporary or winter green is not a wrong green if you are playing to the main green on the same hole. That's why they should be designated as GUR in order to protect them.

 

[chrisd]

Critical words in there are 'other than'. A temporary or winter green is not a wrong green if you are playing to the main green on the same hole. That's why they should be designated as GUR in order to protect them.

Are you sure you havn't misinterpeted this.

A wrong green is any green other than that of the hole being played - so, for me, a winter green on a hole and the winter green isn't in use, by definition, isn't the green of the hole being played - the one that is being played is the one with the flag in it. So it is a free drop and that is how our club members play it. Vice versa if the winter green is in use the main green is a wrong green.

Chris

 

[doublebogey7]

At our club, once the winter greens gave been marked out a notice is issued designating them as temp greens and advising that they should be treated as wrong greens.

 

[DCB]

I see what you're saying Chrisd but have always seen them as GUR. Need to check up on wording of our local rule.

 

[vkurup]

Great discussion here.. looks like
1) Local rules apply
2) Treat as GUR and therefore non-penalty drop
3) Avoid using a wedge

 

[SGC001]

My old course looked into this ages ago and contacted some of the relevant bodies for help. It's quite a complicated issue as I guess they are more concerned with the integrity of qualifying comps themselves.

Unfortunately, it isn't a wrong putting green as that would solve the issue for most clubs. It would seem sensible for courses to treat the area as the type of GUR where you must drop off it as opposed to having the option. The difficulty with that, as I understood it, was that you are not allowed permanent areas of GUR.

 

[bobmac]

How hard can it be ?
1st tee.
Big sign
Temp greens
Play prohibited.
Free drop

 

[chrisd]

How hard can it be ?
1st tee.
Big sign
Temp greens
Play prohibited.
Free drop


Let Captain through
Don't expect to be let through yourself
What wet suit would you buy
Jeans possibly allowed
Gps devices as good as cheating

Slightly amended Bob!



Chris

 

[vkurup]

How hard can it be ?
1st tee.
Big sign
Temp greens
Play prohibited.
Free drop

If clubs made golf easy to understand, the Mrs will explain the offside rule

 

[rosecott]

My old course looked into this ages ago and contacted some of the relevant bodies for help.

I don't know which relevant bodies your old course contacted but this question was very recently discussed at great length on a forum used by rules officials from all over the world. The concensus was that a temporary green was a "wrong putting green" and that this had been confirmed by the R&A.