Rule break?

[Smiffy]

You are playing in a 4bb match and approach a par 3.
After consultation with your partner, you both decide an 8 iron is the right choice.
You are first away, and absolutely flush one, pin high.
As you step off the tee, you say to your playing partner "I've never hit a PW like that before"
Your opponents hear you, and are now confused over which club to take.
I haven't given advice because my comment was directed at my playing partner, and I haven't lied, I've stated fact.
I've NEVER hit a PW like that before.
I've hit an 8 iron like it, but I've never hit a PW like it before.
Rule break?

 

[Slab]

Its a yes for me

I know I read something in the rules about misleading information, need to see if I can find it...

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Don't think it's a rule break, but it's intentionally designed to be overheard and designed to mislead.
I would say that it is not in the spirit of the game .

 

[Smiffy]

Don't think it's a rule break, but it's intentionally designed to be overheard and designed to mislead.
I would say that it is not in the spirit of the game .

Nor is coughing on a backswing.
I tried that earlier in the round but it didn't work

 

[chrisd]

It's definitely a penalty under 8-1/9 look at the decision on the USGA rules and decisions.

 

[chrisd]

Q.A made a statement regarding his club selection which was purposely misleading and was obviously intended to be overheard by B, who had a similar shot. What is the ruling?

A.A was in breach of Rule 8-1 and lost the hole in match play or incurred a two-stroke penalty in stroke play.

 

[Slab]

It's definitely a penalty under 8-1/9 look at the decision on the USGA rules and decisions.

Yup, that was the one I was sure I'd read about

 

[bobmac]

It's definitely a penalty under 8-1/9 look at the decision on the USGA rules and decisions.

It's also in the R&A decisions

 

[Smiffy]

Bloody rules.
They take all the fun out of the game
:angry:

 

[bobmac]

Bloody rules.
They take all the fun out of the game
:angry:

Now do you believe me ?

 

[rulefan]

Sounds more like 8-1/8 to me

8-1/8

Comment About Club Selection After Stroke

Q.After playing a stroke, a player says: "I should have used a 5-iron." Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

A.If the statement was made casually, there was no breach. If the statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the same position, there was a breach.

8-1/9

Misleading Statement About Club Selection

Q.A made a statement regarding his club selection which was purposely misleading and was obviously intended to be overheard by B, who had a similar shot. What is the ruling?

 

[Slab]

Its easy to see from both sides so its all down to intent i.e The statement can still be made casually but with the purpose to mislead

So in the context of the Rules of Golf how can the intent ever be proved?

Surely it cant come down to giving the player the benefit of the doubt or not, surely 'doubt' doesn't come into the RoG

 

[duncan mackie]

Its easy to see from both sides so its all down to intent i.e The statement can still be made casually but with the purpose to mislead

So in the context of the Rules of Golf how can the intent ever be proved?

Surely it cant come down to giving the player the benefit of the doubt or not, surely 'doubt' doesn't come into the RoG

It's not a question of proving intent - the whole principle of the rules of golf is that the player is a gentleman and doesn't cheat or lie.

The rule states you cannot deliberately mislead in this context and, knowing that, you obviously wouldn't. Not being aware, and deliberately doing so you would simply confirm that you had, but didn't realise it wasn't permitted - taking the penalty.

 

[Slab]

It's not a question of proving intent - the whole principle of the rules of golf is that the player is a gentleman and doesn't cheat or lie.

The rule states you cannot deliberately mislead in this context and, knowing that, you obviously wouldn't. Not being aware, and deliberately doing so you would simply confirm that you had, but didn't realise it wasn't permitted - taking the penalty.

So misleading your opponent (while punishable) is an acceptable act for a gentleman golfer!

 

[chrisd]

Sounds more like 8-1/8 to me

8-1/8

Comment About Club Selection After Stroke

Q.After playing a stroke, a player says: "I should have used a 5-iron." Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

A.If the statement was made casually, there was no breach. If the statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the same position, there was a breach.

8-1/9


Misleading Statement About Club Selection

Q.A made a statement regarding his club selection which was purposely misleading and was obviously intended to be overheard by B, who had a similar shot. What is the ruling?

That's what I referred to in post 6

 

[Smiffy]

So misleading your opponent (while punishable) is an acceptable act for a gentleman golfer!

I don't know about that.
But it was good fun seeing their reaction

 

[rulefan]

That's what I referred to in post 6

Yes but you implied the statement was made with intent to mislead. I don't see that as a clear intent in the OP. So additionally posted the decision I thought most appropriate to Smiffy's integrity. But only Smiffy can tell us his intent.

 

[Slab]

I don't know about that.
But it was good fun seeing their reaction

Sorry about that, I kinda forgot about the original post when I started my holier than thou rantings

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So if I say to my buddy who has just stiffed an 8i 'hell of a PW you just hit there' with a smile on my face that our opponents may well not have seen - and they overhear this and that confuses them - they can claim I have breached a rule. Dodgy.

 

[chrisd]

Yes but you implied the statement was made with intent to mislead. I don't see that as a clear intent in the OP. So additionally posted the decision I thought most appropriate to Smiffy's integrity. But only Smiffy can tell us his intent.

I've played enough with Smiffy to know the scoundrel was up to no good!