Rule 14.1b

[drdel]

Just recd of the Mag with the enclosed free "Rule of Golf"

interested to read 14.1b and the Mag's article on anchoring. Sorry to rake over old ground but the wording (p80) of the rule says that "... the player must not anchor the club, either directly or by using an anchor point..."

Note 1 has the phrase "...except that the player may hold the club or a gripping hand AGAINST a hand or forearm.." (my caps).

This is the so-called 'Kucher' style but isn't holding against anchoring !!!

 

[Imurg]

You still swing the club with the grip attached to 2 points... OK one of the is your arm but there's no pivot point - ie chest, chin belly.

 

[la_lucha]

As Imurg says anchoring really refers to a pivot point. If you are swinging a club it doesn't have a pivot point along it's length i.e. an anchor.

 

[drdel]

You still swing the club with the grip attached to 2 points... OK one of the is your arm but there's no pivot point - ie chest, chin belly.

Ahh but! My point is when you hold anything 'against' something else that is anchoring it. Even the Mags article on page 77 uses an example of a prohibited methods and the word 'against' is used to describe the hold.

In my view any 3rd point or area of contact in addition the hands is being used by the player to provide support; the support helps restrict the wrists and that, I thought, was the aim of the new rule: the qualifying NOTE 2 of 'The Rules' describes an anchor being a "....stable point...."

The Kucher's method of holding the grip against the forearm is just a method of stabilising the putter by taking the left wrist out of the equation - why else would it be used?

I think the wording is going to need improving.

 

[duncan mackie]

Ahh but! My point is when you hold anything 'against' something else that is anchoring it. Even the Mags article on page 77 uses an example of a prohibited methods and the word 'against' is used to describe the hold.

In my view any 3rd point or area of contact in addition the hands is being used by the player to provide support; the support helps restrict the wrists and that, I thought, was the aim of the new rule: the qualifying NOTE 2 of 'The Rules' describes an anchor being a "....stable point...."

The Kucher's method of holding the grip against the forearm is just a method of stabilising the putter by taking the left wrist out of the equation - why else would it be used?

I think the wording is going to need improving.

Wording is fine - people's understanding would appear to be the issue (if there is one) and there are numerous examples the rules where exceptions exist that are 100% contrary to the actual rule!

 

[rulefan]

The term 'anchoring' is really describing a situation where the grip end does not move in relation to the ball. A club held against the forearm will move in relation to the ball if the forearm moves.

 

[drdel]

The term 'anchoring' is really describing a situation where the grip end does not move in relation to the ball. A club held against the forearm will move in relation to the ball if the forearm moves.

Twaddle.

When a club's grip is held up-to the chin, chest or into the belly it "will (sic. still) move in relation in relation to the ball..." - of course it does its called making a stroke !!

Techniques that allow the putter grip to contact any body part in addition to but not part of the hand must be providing addition support and stabilisation.

The good old Oxford dictionary defines...

Anchoring = Providing with a firm basis or foundation.
Against = In or into physical contact with (something), so as to be supported by…

So the forearm is providing support and, as this aims to be a firm basis, it is anchored by the pressure exerted by the right hand !!

I'm don't have any objection to golfers who choose to do it I'm merely saying we need to be honest as to why they buy a putter with an extra long shaft if it isn't to add stability. Consequently, in my view, the RoG do not define the permissible and the prohibited tightly enough.

 

[duncan mackie]

Twaddle.

When a club's grip is held up-to the chin, chest or into the belly it "will (sic. still) move in relation in relation to the ball..." - of course it does its called making a stroke !!

Techniques that allow the putter grip to contact any body part in addition to but not part of the hand must be providing addition support and stabilisation.

The good old Oxford dictionary defines...

Anchoring = Providing with a firm basis or foundation.
Against = In or into physical contact with (something), so as to be supported by…

So the forearm is providing support and, as this aims to be a firm basis, it is anchored by the pressure exerted by the right hand !!

I'm don't have any objection to golfers who choose to do it I'm merely saying we need to be honest as to why they buy a putter with an extra long shaft if it isn't to add stability. Consequently, in my view, the RoG do not define the permissible and the prohibited tightly enough.

Your first paragraph is flawed, and fundamentally the reason for the rule change.
In some current manifestations the anchor point doesn't move relative to the ball and the argument is hat this doesn't constitute a stroke as contemplated by those that rule - and from next year it won't under the rules.

 

[Spuddy]

Twaddle.

When a club's grip is held up-to the chin, chest or into the belly it "will (sic. still) move in relation in relation to the ball..." - of course it does its called making a stroke !!

Techniques that allow the putter grip to contact any body part in addition to but not part of the hand must be providing addition support and stabilisation.

The good old Oxford dictionary defines...

Anchoring = Providing with a firm basis or foundation.
Against = In or into physical contact with (something), so as to be supported by…

So the forearm is providing support and, as this aims to be a firm basis, it is anchored by the pressure exerted by the right hand !!

I'm don't have any objection to golfers who choose to do it I'm merely saying we need to be honest as to why they buy a putter with an extra long shaft if it isn't to add stability. Consequently, in my view, the RoG do not define the permissible and the prohibited tightly enough.

The description in the dictionary is irrelevant. In the rule, anchoring is defined as "when the player intentionally holds the club or a gripping hand in contact with any part of his body, except that the player may hold the club or a gripping hand against a hand or forearm".

The other caveat of the 'anchor point' is well covered in the 2nd note:

"an anchor point exists when the player intentionally holds a forearm in contact with any part of his body to establish a gripping hand as a stable point around which the other hand may swing the club".

clear as day to me... You can only anchor the club against a forearm providing the forearm itself isn't anchored. I'm sure they considered this point extensively and have decided that this method, while not being a traditional grip, is still within the realms of what is considered a conventional stroke.