Relief from hollow tined greens.

[bozza]

Our greens were hollow tined last week and they are a little bit ropey from this which is understandable but on some greens there are areas that have been damaged by the machine and are uneven and patchy where they have tried to repair them.

They haven't been marked as GUR and apparently when a greenkeeper was asked why, all he said was "it's the same for everyone"

To me why should you be punished when you are on the green?

I understand they have to do the work but having to putt through a section of green that is like a patchwork quilt is a joke.

Anyone else had this problem and did your place mark them up as GUR?

 

[CMAC]

sounds like lazy greenkeeping! Alert the committee/greens convenor to get these areas marked as GUR so it really is "the same for everyone..."

 

[woody69]

How can it be the same for everyone if you're on the green and have to putt through it and someone else is the other side and doesn't?

 

[NorfolkShaun]

odd comment from the greenkeeper.

When we have issues on the green our holes are cut to avoid these areas as much as possible however I would think this may not always be possible.

 

[bozza]

sounds like lazy greenkeeping! Alert the committee/greens convenor to get these areas marked as GUR so it really is "the same for everyone..."

Yeah it was one of the younger greenkeepers that made the comment.

Hopefully someone has a had a word with the head greenkeeper to get it sorted because surely it will only cause more damage if people are having to play/stand in the damaged areas of the green.

 

[JCW]

We are having it done at Parkstone this week and we have a blue course in play , Monday its 1 to 7 then 13 to 18 and we play 1 to 5 again , changes everyday so i have given this week a miss and will only play on friday at Weymouth in a charity scramble

 

[Foxholer]

I presume you are 'talking' about the real damage - ruts etc - rather than simply the holes themselves. A Local Rule is normally in play for those - but check.

Probably is slightly lazy GK-ing, but it is one of their most fraught times. Give them a few days to get through it - taking putting seriously is pointless for a while anyway - and they'll hopefully be back to 'normal' pretty quickly. Perfect weather for it currently in most places too. On Saturday, I was on a course that did it last week and it was hardly noticeable!

 

[Canary_Yellow]

Ours are being done this week too.

It always seems such a shame when the course is looking so good, but obviously I understand why it needs to be done. I think ours are done across two days which will mean temporary greens on the affected holes today and tomorrow and them sandy / bumpy greens for a week or so.

Back on topic though, as everyone else has said, the attitude of the green keeper is ridiculous - sounds like he's just trying to gloss over his mistake of ruining the green in the first place.

 

[bozza]

I presume you are 'talking' about the real damage - ruts etc - rather than simply the holes themselves. A Local Rule is normally in play for those - but check.

Probably is slightly lazy GK-ing, but it is one of their most fraught times. Give them a few days to get through it - taking putting seriously is pointless for a while anyway - and they'll hopefully be back to 'normal' pretty quickly. Perfect weather for it currently in most places too. On Saturday, I was on a course that did it last week and it was hardly noticeable!

Yeah just the actual damage where parts of the green have been ripped up by the machine.

I was just wondering is there a rule stating you could get relief from it if it was on your line or your ball was actually in the damaged area even if it wasn't marked as GUR.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bozza.
If the turf is lifting, the rootzone of your greens must be in a pretty poor state.
To keep the membership happy the greenstaff will probably be working flat out to get this important job finished and out of the way ASAP.
If they 'waste' time patching damaged areas the hollow coring timescale will only be extended and no doubt the membership will be even more outraged.

The other alternative is to close the course for a week.

 

[bozza]

Bozza.
If the turf is lifting, the rootzone of your greens must be in a pretty poor state.
To keep the membership happy the greenstaff will probably be working flat out to get this important job finished and out of the way ASAP.
If they 'waste' time patching damaged areas the hollow coring timescale will only be extended and no doubt the membership will be even more outraged.

The other alternative is to close the course for a week.

I didn't complain about them having to do the work as I know it's essential work.

My problem was that you are having to putt/stand on the damaged areas and that they should be marked GUR, it's not every green and it's only small patches so it wouldn't take them long to mark them as GUR instead of hitting a perfectly good shot into a green then putt over a section that is like a cobbled street.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I didn't complain about them having to do the work as I know it's essential work.

My problem was that you are having to putt/stand on the damaged areas and that they should be marked GUR, it's not every green and it's only small patches so it wouldn't take them long to mark them as GUR instead of hitting a perfectly good shot into a green then putt over a section that is like a cobbled street.

I can see the sense in that if you are standing on damaged areas. The problem is you'll find there will still be lazy members who won't move and still stand on the GUR so the problem won't necessarily go away

 

[Joff]

I can see the sense in that if you are standing on damaged areas. The problem is you'll find there will still be lazy members who won't move and still stand on the GUR so the problem won't necessarily go away

That's not a reason not to mark it GUR.

 

[bozza]

I can see the sense in that if you are standing on damaged areas. The problem is you'll find there will still be lazy members who won't move and still stand on the GUR so the problem won't necessarily go away

I think the majority would though so that's got to be better than everyone standing on the damaged area because it's not marked up GUR.