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There is a reason why everyone in the media calls him "Bonkers" Hitchens. He actually has it in his contract that no-one can comment on his posts.
I’m no longer surprised at what people in this Country are willing to put up with!I've just seen that. Absolutely disgusting. But then not surprising when it's been underfunded for the last 10yrs or so.
Then they have the temerity to stand and praise, rely and clap them on Live TV. ??
Crowdfunding to get NHS Staff PPE! way, way more than just a random irritation!
I've just seen that. Absolutely disgusting. But then not surprising when it's been underfunded for the last 10yrs or so.
Then they have the temerity to stand and praise, rely and clap them on Live TV. ??
As you are answering both posts I’ll answer my post first.I doubt very much any hospital was carrying enough PPE for a crisis like this. First of all, most ward store rooms just don't have the room for it. Yes there'll be boxes of all sorts of things but nowhere near enough for a major crisis. If a Trust needs PPE it raises and Order Number for a supplier - the process is that simple. I think the shortage is more to do with demand being over and above its usual usage. I do know my last employer is struggling to get enough PPE off the production lines.
As for "its been underfunded for the last 10 years..." Do we really have to do the politics thing again? I started work in the NHS under Labour, and all my NHS years were under Labour. It was seriously underfunded then. My last year in the NHS was a Tony Blair year. The Trust was £48m in debt, and 99% of Trusts were running similar levels of debt - during the economy's (Blair's) boom years.
A lot of the equipment I decommissioned had originally been bought via charitable donations, and the same goes for commissioning of new equipment, both then and now. If you think the NHS under Labour, 10-15-20 years ago, was any better you're being naive. Believe me, it most definitely wasn't.
He is like a dog with a bone.....but up until recently he’s been the only voice I could see offering another opinion, but he doesn’t offer any solution. He’s also in a no win situation, if he’s wrong and this goes bad he looks like an idiot,if he’s right it’s because of the govts stringent measures.The consistent thing with Hitchens is that he never allows ignorance to get in the way of an opinion.
As you are answering both posts I’ll answer my post first.
Possibly the biggest crisis we are facing as a Nation since WW2, I don’t care who’s in power or what stocks are in the cupboard, my only point is that the Government of the day should be providing the money for all stocks off PPE.
I fully understand the logistics of getting said supplies, pipeline times etc, but the funding should not be coming from donations, it should be a blank cheque from the Government.
As for the political angle, Stu’s correct imo, it has been unfunded for the last 10yrs and I don’t believe he said it was any better under Labour or Blair etc.
The problem is the here and now, the tories have the purse strings so have to take responsibility, and pointing of fingers can, imo, wait until we are out of this crisis.
I doubt very much any hospital was carrying enough PPE for a crisis like this. First of all, most ward store rooms just don't have the room for it. Yes there'll be boxes of all sorts of things but nowhere near enough for a major crisis. If a Trust needs PPE it raises and Order Number for a supplier - the process is that simple. I think the shortage is more to do with demand being over and above its usual usage. I do know my last employer is struggling to get enough PPE off the production lines.
As for "its been underfunded for the last 10 years..." Do we really have to do the politics thing again? I started work in the NHS under Labour, and all my NHS years were under Labour. It was seriously underfunded then. My last year in the NHS was a Tony Blair year. The Trust was £48m in debt, and 99% of Trusts were running similar levels of debt - during the economy's (Blair's) boom years.
A lot of the equipment I decommissioned had originally been bought via charitable donations, and the same goes for commissioning of new equipment, both then and now. If you think the NHS under Labour, 10-15-20 years ago, was any better you're being naive. Believe me, it most definitely wasn't.
I agree, the funding shouldn't need to come from the public, and I honestly believe that if a Trust issued a PO number for PPE it would be paid - legally, it has to be paid. The public see stories of shortages and believe its a financial issue and someone starts a crowd funding page. Great, no problem with that but it won't make any difference to the shortage or whether or not a PO number would be 'honoured.'
And from a Duty of Care perspective the Trust has no choice but to order in the PPE. Its cheaper to have the PPE than it is to fight the legal battles with the families of staff.
Stu is correct in that its been underfunded for the last 10 years. The Tories have had 10 years to put right what Labour didn't do. But its the putting a 10 year timeline on it that makes it political. Why not say 15 years or 20 years. The crisis has been here weeks, not 10 years.
He is like a dog with a bone.....but up until recently he’s been the only voice I could see offering another opinion, but he doesn’t offer any solution. He’s also in a no win situation, if he’s wrong and this goes bad he looks like an idiot,if he’s right it’s because of the govts stringent measures.
I just find the opposing view some light relief vs the ‘ go outside & we’ll all die’ narrative
As for being naive, I dont remember seeing/hearing how the NHS was at crisis point, generally, no beds,waiting in corridors, not enough ambulances etc pre 2010.
some not all of what he says calls the science behind the strategy into question that’s all. I’m not saying he’s correct, but some of the arguments are persuasive.There is no ' go outside and we'll all die' narrative. The government ( sensible ) view is that if we "do all go outside ...etc" enough of us will get seriously ill to the point where the NHS ability to cope will collapse.
Hitchens and his ilk seem incapable of grasping that, as do a lot of the population at present.
Crowdfunding to get NHS Staff PPE! way, way more than just a random irritation!
some not all of what he says calls the science behind the strategy into question that’s all.
Internet connection seems to have dropped off a bloody cliff this weekend. Wondering if all the Plusnet employees are now off on isolation. Are internet providers key workers?? They must be..
Other experts. Just go & read it.And what scientific background, qualification and experience is he calling on to question the experts of the world?
Probably? Like neverWatching the Ryder cup replay from Paris and realising that our trip there in April is probably not going to happen
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Probably? Like never