R11 Club OR player??

[golfsaint]

well going on from other threads, i have a R11 driver and i am getting very mixed results with it mostly it goes from
right to left a lot , so i keep changing my stance to counter act it . sometimes it goes straight with a little right to left at the end .
Now i am a one for thinking it is never the club its the person , but on here there are loads off horror stories about the R11 , so is it the club and not the player this time ???

Would it we worth going down the range and trying out a couple off other drivers to see what happens? does
anybody have any driver suggestions plz , but this is the last resort as the R11 was quite expensive and just changing it could be out off the question at the moment .have played around with the weights and settings but still the same results ish
So what i am saying any ideas that might help,

 

[CMAC]

What shaft is in it?
What's your h/cap
Any idea of SS?

What are all these horror stories you mention about the R11?

 

[MadAdey]

well going on from other threads, i have a R11 driver and i am getting very mixed results with it mostly it goes from
right to left a lot , so i keep changing my stance to counter act it . sometimes it goes straight with a little right to left at the end .
Now i am a one for thinking it is never the club its the person , but on here there are loads off horror stories about the R11 , so is it the club and not the player this time ???

Would it we worth going down the range and trying out a couple off other drivers to see what happens? does
anybody have any driver suggestions plz , but this is the last resort as the R11 was quite expensive and just changing it could be out off the question at the moment .have played around with the weights and settings but still the same results ish
So what i am saying any ideas that might help,

The R11 can take a lot of setting up to get it correct and if you do not do it right then you will get some strange results from it. Did know that when you change the loft on it you also change the face angle, so when de-lofting it you are actually closing the face slightly and vice-versa when you increase loft you open the face on it. It can be very confusing and it may be worth going to get fitted by someone who knows how to do it. Go to the TM website as it shows 3 pros in southampton that are registered stockists.

 

[Tiger]

Did you buy off the shelf or were you custom fit? Did you try it before you bought it? How strong is your grip? My suggestion book a lesson with a good pro and they will identify any swing issues and set up the club for you

 

[Mungoscorner]

Mate of mine (6 handicapper) has the R11TP,he was fitted for this driver and in all honesty its ruined his game.Driving was the strongest part of his game,he was straight and very very long,but since putting the R11 in the bag he's lost all confidence with the big stick and his scores have rocketed.Absolutely no consistency with direction,ball flight,etc.In a desperate bid to make the driver work he bought an Aldila Voodoo XNV (shaft he had in his last driver) and had a R11 tip fitted so he could put that in the new stick,but its made very little difference.
Must admit that i'm a fan of Taylor Made Drivers,and have had several over the years,all of which i've been very happy with except one.580,510TP,R7 Quad TP,R7 425TP.I had a brief spell with a 580XD,i hit it well on the range and decided to buy one.I don't know whether i'd bought a dud,but on the course it was horrible,felt like i had no control over the ball and it just felt dead off the face,it was promptly part ex'd and thankfully a new driver had me scoring well again.

 

[golfsaint]

my handicap is 12 and the shaft is a regular shaft , but i might look at the settings again after Madadey sugestions as i have set it to the hightest level on my 9deg driver as it never seems to high , just about 4 foot off the
ground.( my face is set to open at the moment) after trying open,closed & neutral) open seemed to be the best off two evils ! ,if it comes down to it in the end i px it what are the prices i am looking at ?

 

[CMAC]

*cough* what shaft is in it

 

[golfsaint]

Regular off the shelf

 

[MGL]

I think what you need to do, as was suggested in the thread earlier, is go to one of the pro's who is a stockist and get it set up properly based upon your swing type. He' really the right person to assess your swing and do it for you. Perhaps get TM to recommend one for you as then they guy as a dealer will be more likely to help. For example, if you have an outside to in swing path then that promotes a fade, so the setting would be to close the face angle. However, when you change one element you automatically change something else - in this example the loft will be decreasing slightly and will therefore promote a lower launch angle and may rob you of distance.

Whilst I have nothing against the adjustable drivers (I've played an R9 previously) they are marketed and sold on all the differing set ups that are possible with them. The reality of this is that when someone starts 'tinkering' with the different possible settings, your game can end up all over the place, because sometimes a little knowledge on these things can be dangerous - and I don't mean that to be offensive.

The best thing to do with an adjustable driver is to have it set up properly ONCE by someone that can analyse the swing and what the player is trying to achieve (i.e. promote a draw, increase launch angle, etc), and then it should be left alone and never touched by the player again!! Ideally all tools that came with the driver should be confiscated so you resist the temptation to alter it! :lol:

 

[MGL]

Just seen your last posting; you probably have too low a loft on this head. If you are properly fitted to a regular shaft, that will mean a swing speed of approx 85 to 95mph with a driver. This would be too low a swing speed to maximise your shots and distance with a 9 deg head. In all likelihood, you have probably tried to increase the loft to raise your ball flight which has made compensatory adjustments elsewhere in the head, which is why your struggling to find any sort of consistency with it.

I would suggest getting it looked at properly and sorted to you or part exing it for one that does suit you.

 

[Alex1975]

I am keeping my 909.... I hit it well and do not need a horror story like some on here :angry:.

Good luck sorting it.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

... i have set it to the hightest level on my 9deg driver as it never seems to high , just about 4 foot off the ground...?

So you can only get your drives 4 foot off the ground?

If that's the case it is the player and definately not the club that is at fault!

 

[DaveM]

Did know that when you change the loft on it you also change the face angle, so when de-lofting it you are actually closing the face slightly and vice-versa when you increase loft you open the face on it.

I dont have the R11. But do have the R9. So more or less the same, only the sole plate difference. Are you sure that the quote is right. I was alway under the impression it was the other way round. Asking because mine is set with ever thing on neutral. That was how I got it and from first hit straight as a die. The best driver I have ever hit. So when I hit one of my many duff shots. Its me not the club(same though out the bag). I am just rubbish. But my clubs are great, feel sorry for them, to have me on the other end.:rofl: .

 

[EIW1219]

A good tip is practise the baseball bat shot. Pretend to hit a baseball with something resembling a baseball bat and feel the wrist movement at impact. Transfer this into the golf swing and feel the extra power generated.
If you can then find a shot / swing that gives you a slight fade or draw and base your drives from this.
If your shots go one way then its so much easier to trust and just work from this.

 

[MadAdey]

I forgot to say have a look on the Internet. I am looking at buying the R11s and I found a really good video for setting these up yourself which takes you through step by step to get the optimum setup. If I remember it went something like this. But this is going on the fact that you have the correct shaft flex and loft to start off with.

1, Set it up to neutral and hit some balls with the heavier weight in the toe then hit some with it in the heel. Find out which gives you the straighter shot.
2, Adjust the loft next to get a better ball flight. But remember when you adjust for more height the face will open and vice versa.
3, Adjust the sole plate to now get it going straighter again.
4, You should now have a rough setting on the club.

It is now a case of tinkering. If it is still not quite correct then try putting the weight in the heel with the sole plate open and vice-versa, see what difference it makes. If you are still struggling to get a good shot from it then you have either the wrong flex of shaft or loft. Maybe both are not correct for you and that is why you just can't seem to get it set in the correct configuration for you.

From what I have read about the R11 there are certain configurations that just makes the club under perform for instance having it set to max loft which opens the face then opening the sole plate up and putting the weight in the heel to counteract the amount you have opened up the face. That sort of setting is setting it up very very open faced then putting the weight in the heel to get the toe to accelerate past the heel to shut the club at impact.

 

[golfsaint]

Cheers Madadey i think i might try your ideas later

 

[MadAdey]

I dont have the R11. But do have the R9. So more or less the same, only the sole plate difference. Are you sure that the quote is right. I was alway under the impression it was the other way round. Asking because mine is set with ever thing on neutral. That was how I got it and from first hit straight as a die. The best driver I have ever hit. So when I hit one of my many duff shots. Its me not the club(same though out the bag). I am just rubbish. But my clubs are great, feel sorry for them, to have me on the other end.:rofl: .

What happens is when you increase loft it you are turning the toe out which opens the face slightly. It is a bit like trying to get more loft on your wedge. You open the face up to do that and that is what happens with these drivers. I had an R9 with a low loft on it to enable me to open the face up as I like to see an open face on my driver at address.

 

[golfsaint]

Well change the setting tonight and see what it does on the course tomorrow !

 

[DaveM]

On a yank site the guy who was reviewing the club said it works in reverse to the way a wedge works. Even the TM guys on their web site say the same.( Close the face to increase loft) plus the booklet that came with the club, says that as well. I know it sounds wrong but thats what they say.

 

[Oddsocks]

Mate of mine (6 handicapper) has the R11TP,he was fitted for this driver and in all honesty its ruined his game.Driving was the strongest part of his game,he was straight and very very long,but since putting the R11 in the bag he's lost all confidence with the big stick and his scores have rocketed.Absolutely no consistency with direction,ball flight,etc.In a desperate bid to make the driver work he bought an Aldila Voodoo XNV (shaft he had in his last driver) and had a R11 tip fitted so he could put that in the new stick,but its made very little difference.

Ok my golf experience with the r11 is pretty much the same as the above 6 capper. I was using a Burner 09 9.5* stiff with great effect and in the effort to get more distance jumped to a R11 in 9* stiff spec. After trying it on the monitor at DG i was getting great results so the club was purchased and off i went.

In standard spec i was hitting a medium draw but it was definately longer, but the issue was the bad shot become a massive duck hook, i could often miss left and land the left hand side of the adjacent hole. so it was time to play with the settings.

Now if my memory is correct, it come with the heavier weight in the heel, and lighter weight in the toe to promote a draw, i swapped these round which helped a touch but not alot,, next i read up a bit more on what was in the book, which suggested adding loft would also help, so i adjusted the shaft to open (9.5*) and this made it alot better, my bad shot become a slight draw, but my standard shot become a soft fade which would sometimes boarder on a slice.

id suggest setting it back to standard (heavier weight in heel, shaft to standard position, and sole plate to Neutral) and go from there. it turned out that my draw/hook was coming from a strong grip, very strong on the left hand with a flat swing plane that was very closed at the top, which was leading to other faults. Im really keen to try the new r11S as im hoping now the swing is fixed, and my driving is back strong again, the r11s should suit me better,