Quiet overhead today...

[MegaSteve]

Is there anything more disgruntled than a disgruntled traveller... Or should I say non-traveller....

 

[Rooter]

LOL another very high profile computer failure (RBS earlier this week)

Love working in IT selling solutions that make these errors either not happen, or at least be predictive and quick to fix..

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Nats are running at 80% it's not a major drama as long as everyone gets there safe and late

 

[Khamelion]

Even the big network kit companies are throwing out kit faster and faster now. Cisco had 3750'a, then the 3750v2, 3750x, the non gig 3750 are EOL and then we have 2960, 2960s, but now they bring out 2960x and 2960xr along with new switch series 3600 and 3800 switches, which to be fair they are pricing at the same price or the 3700 series, so not all bad.

On the news you have the bloke from RBS saying they have not invested enough IT over the years, how can a company expect to keep up to date with network kit when it goes out of date as soon as it's installed. Not much of a problem if a device goes out of support and you have no restraints on it, but if that device has to be in support because of contractual or legal requirements a companies IT budget can soon spiral out of control.

The company I work for still has network kit is use that went EOL/EOS/EOS years ago and if it dies, new kit has to be bought as it cannot be replaced under any support contract.

But when the guy from RBS says they have not invested enough in IT, he can go swivel, as that is shocking, they should have invested, I mean look at the profit they make year on year.

 

[Rooter]

Nats are running at 80% it's not a major drama as long as everyone gets there safe and late

Just saw one of the dads my kids go to school with, they were due to go to lapland with the kids this morning.. me seeing him today means he didnt go! lucky for them, they will get a full refund. however he told me of the 300 kids at the airport who were being taken there on a number of flights as part of the make a wish foundation. there must have been some uber tantrums there!!!

 

[MegaSteve]

LOL another very high profile computer failure (RBS earlier this week)

Love working in IT selling solutions that make these errors either not happen, or at least be predictive and quick to fix..

To err is human but if you really want to foul it up all you need is a computer....

Whilst I have sympathy for those that have had their travel plans disrupted throwing a wobbly helps no one...

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Even the big network kit companies are throwing out kit faster and faster now. Cisco had 3750'a, then the 3750v2, 3750x, the non gig 3750 are EOL and then we have 2960, 2960s, but now they bring out 2960x and 2960xr along with new switch series 3600 and 3800 switches, which to be fair they are pricing at the same price or the 3700 series, so not all bad.

On the news you have the bloke from RBS saying they have not invested enough IT over the years, how can a company expect to keep up to date with network kit when it goes out of date as soon as it's installed. Not much of a problem if a device goes out of support and you have no restraints on it, but if that device has to be in support because of contractual or legal requirements a companies IT budget can soon spiral out of control.

The company I work for still has network kit is use that went EOL/EOS/EOS years ago and if it dies, new kit has to be bought as it cannot be replaced under any support contract.

But when the guy from RBS says they have not invested enough in IT, he can go swivel, as that is shocking, they should have invested, I mean look at the profit they make year on year.

There is a difference between "out of date " and Obsolete

Sounds like the "Nasty West" stuff is past obsolete, probably still relying on Windows 2000

Come on guys, get with the 21st century

 

[daymond]

I just can't understand why they don't have a damn great switch on the wall marked 'day' at the top and 'night' at the bottom or vice versa if that helps.

 

[Foxholer]

LOL another very high profile computer failure (RBS earlier this week)

Love working in IT selling solutions that make these errors either not happen, or at least be predictive and quick to fix..

H'mm. I'm a sceptic - certainly after a few changes! The 'Function, Cost, Quality' triangle is pretty rigid!

Sounds like the "Nasty West" stuff is past obsolete, probably still relying on Windows 2000

For someone 'in the industry', this shows a huge gap in understanding of how large the systems that run Banking systems are!

RBS's CEO's statement was almost certainly correct, but the 'not enough investment' amount was probably more than the turnover of some pretty large companies! It's staggering how much computing power banking systems have!

 

[Rooter]

H'mm. I'm a sceptic - certainly after a few changes! The 'Function, Cost, Quality' triangle is pretty rigid!



For someone 'in the industry', this shows a huge gap in understanding of how large the systems that run Banking systems are!

RBS's CEO's statement was almost certainly correct, but the 'not enough investment' amount was probably more than the turnover of some pretty large companies! It's staggering how much computing power banking systems have!

I have sold solutions to the worlds largest banks and trading houses, some invest in IT and have truly awesome systems, others don't. it is that cut and dried, its all down to the board level members view of IT. Some see it as a vital part of the organisation, while others simply see it as "those computers". they dont understand the risk of not doing things properly, because typically they cost more and can't see past the bottom line.

I no longer sell what i do with an "ROI" Return on Investment, i sell it discussing how much a failure costs and how i can prevent that. Latest figures show, a datacentre shutting down costs at least $8000 per minute...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If a company goes down because they have lost their DC then u would have to ask the network architect why they didn't have full replication to an off site redundant back up DC

 

[PhilTheFragger]

For someone 'in the industry', this shows a huge gap in understanding of how large the systems that run Banking systems are!

RBS's CEO's statement was almost certainly correct, but the 'not enough investment' amount was probably more than the turnover of some pretty large companies! It's staggering how much computing power banking systems have!

Foxy maybe you need an irony implant, amazing how a jokey comment can be taken so literally .
Also as an ex Bank Manager and current PC engineer, I may just have an idea of what I'm talking about

Yes there are some amazingly huge and complex infrastructure systems out there, interspersed with genuine legacy systems.

 

[Foxholer]

Foxy maybe you need an irony implant, amazing how a jokey comment can be taken so literally .
Also as an ex Bank Manager and current PC engineer, I may just have an idea of what I'm talking about

Yes there are some amazingly huge and complex infrastructure systems out there, interspersed with genuine legacy systems.

I would have thought a Smiley was the key.

'Maybe one day I will understand you!' :rofl:

There are definitely 'Legacy' systems at RBS, but legacy systems are probably the most reliable part of the systems. It's Change that is the most 'dangerous' part of IT Systems imo. Especially something like a Bank, Airlines/Nats, London Underground, Railways or the like, where the visibility of a fault is extremely high!

Computing has come a long way! Modern phones are (probably tens of) thousands of times more powerful than the one that got 'us' to the moon! Unfortunately the ability to implement Change hasn't kept pace - or probably even moved!

Just did some digging and found RBS spends about £2Billion/year on IT! And is committing a further £450Million to 'shore up its systems'. Huge numbers!

 

[Foxholer]

The Mother of Cobol's Birthday today!

Estimated to be 200 Billions of Cobol code around!

And just to reinforce the size of Banking systems.

Bank of New York Mellon has 112,500 Cobol programs 343 Million lines of code!