quick rules help please

[Lydo]

Probably an easy one. I hit my 2nd shot, it hit the green and rolled through into a stream at the back. Which side do i drop on, the side it went in or across the other side?

I dropped my ball at other side, but was thinking afterwards if i was correct or not.

 

[louise_a]

were the stakes yellow or red?

 

[Lydo]

it wasnt clearly marked as it was a council course

 

[pbrown7582]

were the stakes yellow or red?

This is important as it affects the options.

 

[Lydo]

i think it should've been yellow as it wasn't a lateral water hazard, it ran across the back of the green.

 

[louise_a]

iits a yellow staked hazard you should have the point of entry between the ball and the hole, so dropping where you did was ok, you also have the option to play the ball again from where you playe the original shot.

 

[Lydo]

Could i have dropped it on the side closest the hole though? or was i right to go to the side furthest from the hole? I wasn't 100% because it was through the back of the green.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Could i have dropped it on the side closest the hole though? or was i right to go to the side furthest from the hole? I wasn't 100% because it was through the back of the green.

If it was yellow staked, you dropped in the right place, if it was red, you could have dropped on the green side, within two club lengths of where it last crossed the hazard no nearer the hole.

A lateral water hazard is usually marked as such because the committee deems that dropping the ball on the other side of the hazard in accordance with rule 26-1 would mean dropping into a virtually unplayable lie. In this case, it sounds as though dropping on the other side of the hazard was possible and you therefore took the right action in my view

 

[Colin L]

If a water hazard is not clearly marked with red stakes, you could decide for yourself that it was a lateral water hazard if it was "so situated that is is impossible to drop a ball behind it." (See the Definition of a lateral water hazard.) As you were able to drop behind it, you could not decide that - it would need to have red stakes in place. What you did then was correct.

 

[FaldosJumper]

Probably an easy one. I hit my 2nd shot, it hit the green and rolled through into a stream at the back. Which side do i drop on, the side it went in or across the other side?

I dropped my ball at other side, but was thinking afterwards if i was correct or not.

From reading this I take it he's took the LWH ruling of dropping the other side of the hazard and to me is wrong. However, if he's used the WH ruling of keeping the entry to the hazard and hole and going back on That line then he is correct... the OP is not too clear on this or of course I've miss-read it

If it was yellow staked, you dropped in the right place

Without clarity I'd say this is incorrect, a thought is maybe across the stream and where he dropped was within 2 club lengths?

My thinking is, if running behind the hole this is simple a Water Hazard (yellow stakes) but if it meanders down the side of the fairway and then works it's way around the back of the green would you then split the definition of the hazard at a given point or would it continue to be a LWH? Another question that pops into my head is if an obvious WH is not defined by coloured stakes, how do you proceed?

Interesting situation though!

 

[bobmac]

Not nearer the hole

 

[duncan mackie]

1. From reading this I take it he's took the LWH ruling of dropping the other side of the hazard and to me is wrong. However, if he's used the WH ruling of keeping the entry to the hazard and hole and going back on That line then he is correct... the OP is not too clear on this or of course I've miss-read it

2. Without clarity I'd say this {If it was yellow staked, you dropped in the right place} is incorrect, a thought is maybe across the stream and where he dropped was within 2 club lengths?

3. My thinking is, if running behind the hole this is simple a Water Hazard (yellow stakes) but if it meanders down the side of the fairway and then works it's way around the back of the green would you then split the definition of the hazard at a given point or would it continue to be a LWH?

4. Another question that pops into my head is if an obvious WH is not defined by coloured stakes, how do you proceed?

Interesting situation though!

1. without drawing a picture or using 3 pages to text I would see the OP's approach as one of proceeding under 26-1b and therefore approapriate regardles of the designation. Even as outlined, the other side described hardly fits a point equidistant from the hole to where the ball first crossed the hazard margin.

2. if it was Yellow staked there is no 2 clubs lengths option available at all.

3. you would designate areas of the water as appropriate using either twin or dual coloured posts where the changes apply. Just because the water runs down the side of a fairway it doesn't automatically qualify as a LWL - for example a narrow stream between 2 fairways that never runs straight at the green.

4. if the area meets the definition of a water hazard then you proceed on the basis of the appropriate water hazard. If it is not practicable to drop a ball under 26-1b then you may proceed on the basis that it is a LWH and drop under 26-1c (i) or (ii) - then draw it to the attention of the committee when you get in so that they mark or designate as appropriate!