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Hi,
I know a lot of you keep stats and was wondering what your average putts per round are and what sort of number a mid handicapper should be aiming for, I don't keep them myself but did a tot after 5 3 putts last Sunday during my best round of the year and I took 33, looking back 3 of the 3 putts were long putts to difficult flags so there were only 2 of them that I could be really disappointed in.I only seem to ever 3 putt when i hit a green in regulation which i suppose makes sense as u will usually be further away from the flag. So ave no of putts per round please, and number of putts per green in regulation if you have it.
Mike
 
Can't see the point without GIR. On average I hit pretty much no GIR, but my chipping is red hot, and hence so are my putting stats. What it highlights is that my iron play is rubbish.
 
I had a round with 27 putts the other day but it was crap - missed nearly every green and had to chip everything close. Putting stats are a waste of time. Even though I had so few putts I could hardly say I was putting well. I think you eventually KNOW if you are putting well (or indeed CAN putt well at all). Putting stats are an interest factor and nothing more in my opinion.
 
This is where Scoresaver 2 comes in Handy for recording these stats. Did i beat Homer in recomending it??? :D

It can tell you your GIR and putts per round as well as putts per GIR.

I am averaging 34.1 putts per round. SS2 says i should average 33 for a 13 h/capper

My average putts per GIR is over 2 :o

The last 5 rounds with my new putter have been a vast improvement though
 
Averaging 32 per round, but agree that it's not an accurate measurement because i'm chipping and one putting a couple of times a round. I know and play with a 9 handicapper that regularly has 40 putts per round......it's painful to watch.....when i'm not crying from laughter!
 
what sort of number a mid handicapper should be aiming for.
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The answer to your question has got to be 'as few as possible' why worry about what everybody else is doing.

I don't understand the reasnoning behind looking at stats, you must know where your weaknesses are? Do you drive consistantly or not, do you have confidence using your long or mid irons? How's your pitching and chipping? What difference does it make that you take 30 or 40 putts, surely you work on reducing the number by improving either your technique or improving other parts of your game to get closer to the hole in fewer shots.
If you find out what other golfer's average scores are, what are you going to do with the information, how does it help your game, apart from perhaps feeling you're about the same level? or not?
 
I have to say I disagree completely with justoneuk (but then you knew I was going to say that didn't you) as SS2 is an ideal tool for measuring improvement or not. I currently average 33.7 (for the calender year) which is down from and down from 34.2 for the first four months alone.

Clearly I'm chipping better and hitting my pitches closer which I'd expect as I've had lessons on both areas and a putting lesson to boot. The beauty of SS2 is that it tells you exactly how many putts you take when you hit a green in regulation (2.16) and when you miss the green (1.77)

I think putting plays a key part in lower scores and so I like to know how many I'm taking. I know there will be those sharpening their keyboards and saying stats can show you whatever you want them to and to a degree I agree. However I'm quite meticulous and will only count a putt if its on the green (I have to pick some way of doing it so followed the tour regime). Even if I putt from off the green it goes down as a missed GIR so what I might gain in one category I'll lose in another so it sort of evens up and I guess over the course of a whole season will be a balanced reflection anyway.
 
Clearly I'm chipping better and hitting my pitches closer which I'd expect as I've had lessons on both areas and a putting lesson to boot. The beauty of SS2 is that it tells you exactly how many putts you take when you hit a green in regulation (2.16) and when you miss the green (1.77)
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Homer, so what do you do with this sort of information? Logic might dictate that you should plan to miss greens in regulation? I assume that isn't the case, but then again if you score better over the whole round consistantly by playing like it, why not? Does it really matter how you score the lowest you can?
 
It doesn't matter how the ball finds the bottom of the cuo, but I give my pro a breakdown of my monthly stats so he can see my strengths and weaknesses and we can tweak my lessons around that.

I had a short game series booked (bunkers, pitching, putting and chipping) which have really helped but we'll look at things like GIR missed and see if they were from off the fairway i which case my iron play isn't very good or if I'm hitting too many from the light (or deeper) rough in which case my driving is clearly off. Its an easy way for him to see how I'm doing without having to spend ages at the start of a lesson and to be honest there are times when I've thought I'd hit more greens/fairways than the stats show so if nothing else its an accurate reflection.

Tdere are those that use this information and those that don't an to be fair I don't care either way. It has helped me (and my pro) hugely to pinpoint problem areas and make the necessary corrections. I had a horror year last year having gone from 20 to 12 the yar before and went to 15 last year and only defended my handicap 3 times over twelve months. After reviewing the numbers (SS2 can also show historical data) we sat down in the winter and devised a swing plan to work on.

I started slowly but since my short game lessons I've gone from 15 down to 12 and got several top three finishes and now a win.
 
This was a simple question for those that keep stats not for people to vent on those that keeps stats u don't need to put in your opinion if it really has no revelance, I don't keep stats as the course i play on dosen't really have any heavy rough so you can hit greens from off the fairway so i just wanted a idea on what sort of figures other people have.
Mike
 
I don't think you can look at number of putts on its own IMO you need to look at your overall numbers. You may for instance be missing more greens therefore chipping closer and putting less or you may be hitting your approaches closer, they same way you can be taking more putts because your approaches are worse
 
I guess each to their own. My whole game is based on flair, and looking at numbers just cramps my style. Think Seve not Faldo.
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Spot on Murph, when I've hit a bad shot ( ie a big fade into the short rough, with a tree in the way presenting me with a 3 foot target gap through the branches ) I often say to myself, "What would Seve do ?" :D

Do I chip it backwards on to the fairway, or go for the glory shot through ther gap in the trees, putting some draw on it to bend it round the Oak tree that's now in my way ?

Glory shot every time !!!
 
I guess each to their own. My whole game is based on flair, and looking at numbers just cramps my style. Think Seve not Faldo.
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Spot on Murph, when I've hit a bad shot ( ie a big fade into the short rough, with a tree in the way presenting me with a 3 foot target gap through the branches ) I often say to myself, "What would Seve do ?" :D

Do I chip it backwards on to the fairway, or go for the glory shot through ther gap in the trees, putting some draw on it to bend it round the Oak tree that's now in my way ?

Glory shot every time !!!
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And how often, after said glory shot is attempted, do you stand and think quiety to yourself "goddamnit why didnt I just chip out sideways?" :D
 
It normally comes out sideways anyway, so nothing lost.

As to why post on this thread if you aren't into the stats side of things, it is a forum, and that is my view on the subject, I am entitled to post if I feel like it.

Ok, you have asked a question about putting stats, but surely you can see that on their own they have no relevance.

For instance, a 15 handicap can be mustard, tee to green, but a poor putter, or can be all over the place from the tee, with a dynamite short game. How can you generalise, and say a 15 handicapper should take 32.35 putts per round? it doesn't make any sense as a number on its own.
 
I guess each to their own. My whole game is based on flair, and looking at numbers just cramps my style. Think Seve not Faldo.
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Spot on Murph, when I've hit a bad shot ( ie a big fade into the short rough, with a tree in the way presenting me with a 3 foot target gap through the branches ) I often say to myself, "What would Seve do ?" :D

Do I chip it backwards on to the fairway, or go for the glory shot through ther gap in the trees, putting some draw on it to bend it round the Oak tree that's now in my way ?

Glory shot every time !!!
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And how often, after said glory shot is attempted, do you stand and think quiety to yourself "goddamnit why didnt I just chip out sideways?" :D
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KeefG's right.....we've all done it!
Not played the percentage shot and then thought bugger....should have chipped it onto the fairway.....one of the holes on our course is named Death or Glory......nice!
 
I don't use SS2 but do have my own spreadsheet that all scores are added too (18 holes, I should really enter my 9 holes on there too!)

I average over the last 10 rounds:

FIR - 10.5
GIR - 9.5
Putts - 35.75

Anyone guess where my weakness has been lately? ;)
 
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