ProV 1 Balls

[apj0524]

I have a question that perhaps some more experienced and better golfers can advise me on.

I have slowish swing speed 75 ~ 80 with a 7i and have been using Callaway Supersoft which I like and seems to suit my game, accepting they feel soft off the putter but I am used to them.

My issue is that when I compared the Supersoft and other similar balls to a couple of ProV 1 around the greens just out of interest I found the ProV 1s had more check that the others.

So I tried using the ProV 1 at the weekend was not sure if it suited the other areas of my game.

So my question is whether a ProV 1 is more suited to better swing speeds?

I appreciated the answers will be play what you feel is best for me and I will, but being new to the game I am just interested in understanding what is the mystic behind the Pro V balls

 

[Imurg]

Titleist work from the green towards the tee - their mantra is to play the ball that gives you what you want from the putter then the wedge.
In theory, most balls will go similar distances from the tee but the Urethane covered balls like the ProV will spin more around the green on chips and pitches - if you practice enough you can get them to pitch and stop quickly and get them closer to the pin.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Titleist take the view that the Pro V1 works with any swing speed. This is from their website

"Many golfers are led to believe they should be fit for a golf ball based solely on their driver swing speed. This is a flawed approach. The truth is golfers use a wide range of swing speeds to execute the vast array of shots required in every round. The golf ball must perform with every club, at every speed, on every shot."

Good site actually and worth checking out.

http://www.titleist.co.uk/golf-ball-fitting/

 

[snell]

Titleist take the view that the Pro V1 works with any swing speed. This is from their website

"Many golfers are led to believe they should be fit for a golf ball based solely on their driver swing speed. This is a flawed approach. The truth is golfers use a wide range of swing speeds to execute the vast array of shots required in every round. The golf ball must perform with every club, at every speed, on every shot."

Good site actually and worth checking out.

http://www.titleist.co.uk/golf-ball-fitting/

Interesting I just used this website, and it recommended NXT S balls for me. I know its not an exact science, but each time ive used them, ive never got along with them.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Plenty of other options out there. I'd recommend the AD333 tour as an alternative but at the end of the day it comes down to personal taste and your own golfing abilities. I guess budget will come into it too as they don't come cheap

 

[Hendy]

Was at a ball fitting not so long back with a friend he was advised by the company running it to use their cheaper ball for two reasons

1 he didn't have the swing speed to compress the prem ball enough to get the distance he should have
2 he plays with a left to right ball flight and with the prem ball this would only be exaggerated

So basically were he gains with the prem ball on and around the green he loses out with distance off the tee and also the ball would turn more in flight subsequently losing control off the tee with the driver.

So he has now switched to the ball homer has said above and never looked back.

 

[ManinBlack]

Unless you're low single figures I don't think it makes a scrap of difference. I've switched to these https://www.vicegolf.com/uk/vice-golf-drive after finding no difference from the Pro V1 and B330. At 79p each they're cheaper than lake balls.

 

[UlyssesSky]

Titleist wants to make you think that the Pro V1 works with any swing speed. This is from their website

"Many golfers are led to believe they should be fit for a golf ball based solely on their driver swing speed. This is a flawed approach. The truth is golfers use a wide range of swing speeds to execute the vast array of shots required in every round. The golf ball must perform with every club, at every speed, on every shot."

Good site actually and worth checking out.

http://www.titleist.co.uk/golf-ball-fitting/

Fixed that four you...

That campaign has to be the most bull (mod edit) campaign I've seen in a long time... A bunch of tour players saying the all have "a lot of different swingspeeds" and thus need a ball that performs at every swingspeed.

Yes, they have different swingspeeds with every club and also don't always swing with 100%...

BUT - each of their swingspeeds will be faster than the respective swingspeed of an amateur. You need a high swingspeed with your irons and wedges to make the ball check or spin back. It doesn't help if you can swing your driver as fast as a pro swings his 7i - you need to swing your 7i the same speed to get the maximum out of those premium balls.

So what is an amateur going to get from buying pro v1s (or any other premium ball)?

- he won't have the (full) benefits in the short game since he can't put enough spin on the ball
- he might lose distance off the tee because he can't compress the ball enough
- the increased side-spin off the tee isn't going to help his misses


So why would Titleist make such an ad if it isn't true? Well, maybe, just maybe, the margin on those premium balls is a tad higher than on the distance balls that are sold for less than half the price...

Unless you're low single figures I don't think it makes a scrap of difference.

^^And of course this.

 

[One Planer]

I remember when I played the DX3 and moved to the Pro V1.

I found the Pro V1 span less off the tee than the Wilson and, obviously, span more around the greens.

I'm now playing the Srixon Z-Star and find it just as good as the Pro V1, but at a lesser cost.

 

[apj0524]

Thanks for the opinions I will probably go back to the Callaway SS just because I like the feel, but will try the Vice Drive or Tour Balls and the AD333 Tour (Could not get on with the Std AD333)

 

[credman82]

I have switched this year to the Cally chrome soft I can't see past these. excellent flight with driver right through the irons and enough spin to back up with a 9irn. I am keen to try these vice balls I have been hearing about on here and the snell' if they get a uk distributer.

 

[Aztecs27]

I remember when I played the DX3 and moved to the Pro V1.

I found the Pro V1 span less off the tee than the Wilson and, obviously, span more around the greens.

I'm now playing the Srixon Z-Star and find it just as good as the Pro V1, but at a lesser cost.

This - applies to the Bridgestone B330-RX and RXS balls as well from experience.

 

[Sybez]

NXT Tour S is a great ball. Better than AD333 Tour but a few quid more.

 

[MashieNiblick]

Titleist wants to make you think that the Pro V1 works with any swing speed. This is from their website


Fixed that four you...

That campaign has to be the most bull (mod edit) campaign I've seen in a long time... A bunch of tour players saying the all have "a lot of different swingspeeds" and thus need a ball that performs at every swingspeed.

Yes, they have different swingspeeds with every club and also don't always swing with 100%...

BUT - each of their swingspeeds will be faster than the respective swingspeed of an amateur. You need a high swingspeed with your irons and wedges to make the ball check or spin back. It doesn't help if you can swing your driver as fast as a pro swings his 7i - you need to swing your 7i the same speed to get the maximum out of those premium balls.

So what is an amateur going to get from buying pro v1s (or any other premium ball)?

- he won't have the (full) benefits in the short game since he can't put enough spin on the ball
- he might lose distance off the tee because he can't compress the ball enough
- the increased side-spin off the tee isn't going to help his misses


So why would Titleist make such an ad if it isn't true? Well, maybe, just maybe, the margin on those premium balls is a tad higher than on the distance balls that are sold for less than half the price...

Thing is I have a slow swing speed (75 mph with 6 iron) and I love playing with Pro V1's which give me good distance and good short game control. I certainly haven't found that I lose anything when using those as opposed to some of the soft balls I like (Speed Regime 1, Supersoft and Chromesoft). I can only assume therefore that there is something in what Titleist say otherwise I would notice that the Pro V1 didn't perform as well for me as balls specifically aimed at slower swing speeds.

The only balls I really don't like and which do noticeably affect my performance are cheap "distance balls". I simply can't pitch, chip or putt with them. No control at all.

 

[UlyssesSky]

Thing is I have a slow swing speed (75 mph with 6 iron) and I love playing with Pro V1's which give me good distance and good short game control. I certainly haven't found that I lose anything when using those as opposed to some of the soft balls I like (Speed Regime 1, Supersoft and Chromesoft). I can only assume therefore that there is something in what Titleist say otherwise I would notice that the Pro V1 didn't perform as well for me as balls specifically aimed at slower swing speeds.

The only balls I really don't like and which do noticeably affect my performance are cheap "distance balls". I simply can't pitch, chip or putt with them. No control at all.

If your signature is accurate you're playing off 9, and obviously you can take advantage of the increased spin around the greens. Also I'd guess you are able to hit it reasoably straight off the tee, so you won't have problems with increased side-spin in your tee shots.
Most mid to high handicappers, however, won't see the benefits but notice the disadvantages.

Maybe I should have been clearer that when writing "amateurs" didn't mean single digit/scratch players. These are obviously the the core target audience for premium balls and should/can use them.

My point was that with their ad Titleist was trying to convince mid/high handicappers to buy their premium balls as well, when what they actually need is exactly what you hate - a "distance" ball that's long and straight off the tee because the only way they could ever get a ball to check on the greens would be to put glue on it..

Sorry for being unclear!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In our foursomes this year i was partnered by a 21 HC who only used Pro V after trying other balls - I use a 1X and he could tell the difference after one putt and hit of the ball so we went to a Pro V 1 as it made him more comfortable

HC shouldn't ever determine what ball a player uses nor swing speed etc

It will always come down to what a person feels happier using

 

[Lump]

Its a weird one though, I utterly hate Prov1s but love the Prov1x. The ProV1 just feels duff and for me is a lot shorter with every club (circa 20yrds, I can't explain it, I've side by sided them on the course and the Prov1 is always shorter. My SS with a 6iron is 93mph so thats not the issue)