Pro v1 balls- Bargain (well maybe)

The Pro V1 practice balls are the ones with only cosmetic blemishes. The X Outs, according to the Titleist web site 'They usually have a cosmetic blemish and/or occasionally have a minor physical defect that should not significantly affect its performance.'

So clubhouse golf are being a little sneaky as they are describing the practice ball and not the xouts. To be honest if I was paying that kind of money for a 'premium ball' from them I'd buy the Lethals at 25 quid or the 2013 B330 RX-Ss at 22 quid, as at least you know you are getting a 'perfect' ball.

If it was just paintwork then fine, but 22 notes for something that has not been classed as good enough to be sold as a proper ProV1 as it may have a minor physical defect seems a bit much to me. And kind of trading on the name a bit much, preying on people who want to be seen playing a Pro V1. But hey, it's a free world, and I'm sure they'd slice just as much off my clubface as the TM Lethals would.;)
 
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Hacker Khan said:
The Pro V1 practice balls are the ones with only cosmetic blemishes. The X Outs, according to the Titleist web site 'They usually have a cosmetic blemish and/or occasionally have a minor physical defect that should not significantly affect its performance.'

So clubhouse golf are being a little sneaky as they are describing the practice ball and not the xouts. To be honest if I was paying that kind of money for a 'premium ball' from them I'd buy the Lethals at 25 quid or the 2013 B330 RX-Ss at 22 quid, as at least you know you are getting a 'perfect' ball.
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Er, What? Tho OP only mentioned XOUTS!

Balls marked 'Practice' are 100% legit and can be used in comps if you have the nerve.

XOUTS are identified as different to standard and so are non-conforming and not legit for comps.

£21 seems a little high for XOUTS imo.

There's no actual reason why you can't reap the benefits of a premium ball - nothing to do with 'not being good enough! It's just that the 'loss-rate' might be sufficiently high enough to make the cost/benefit less justifiable! Ball selection, imo, is really a case of finding one you like the feel of best - mainly off Putter and Driver - is cost-effective and performs satisfactorily around the Greens.
 
Foxholer said:
Er, What? Tho OP only mentioned XOUTS!

Balls marked 'Practice' are 100% legit and can be used in comps if you have the nerve.

XOUTS are identified as different to standard and so are non-conforming and not legit for comps.

£21 seems a little high for XOUTS imo.

There's no actual reason why you can't reap the benefits of a premium ball - nothing to do with 'not being good enough! It's just that the 'loss-rate' might be sufficiently high enough to make the cost/benefit less justifiable! Ball selection, imo, is really a case of finding one you like the feel of best - mainly off Putter and Driver - is cost-effective and performs satisfactorily around the Greens.
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I know he mentioned xouts. I was trying (and possibly failing) to point out that the description on the clubhouse golf web site is referring to Pro V1 practice balls, whilst they are selling ProV1 xouts.

Just trying to say there is a difference between ProV1 practice balls and ProV1 xouts, so the OP didn't think they were buying a ball with just cosmetic blemishes (as they are described as on the clubhouse golf website), as the xouts have more 'defects' than that. But the OP said they wouldn't get them anyway, so as you were everyone.
 
Foxholer said:
Er, What? Tho OP only mentioned XOUTS!

Balls marked 'Practice' are 100% legit and can be used in comps if you have the nerve.

XOUTS are identified as different to standard and so are non-conforming and not legit for comps.

£21 seems a little high for XOUTS imo.

There's no actual reason why you can't reap the benefits of a premium ball - nothing to do with 'not being good enough! It's just that the 'loss-rate' might be sufficiently high enough to make the cost/benefit less justifiable! Ball selection, imo, is really a case of finding one you like the feel of best - mainly off Putter and Driver - is cost-effective and performs satisfactorily around the Greens.
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Only were the list of conforming balls or one ball rule is in effect. Very rare this condition is applied to club level golf so use away till your hearts content.

As long there there isn't strong evidence that a x-out ball is non-conforming (noticeably heavier/lighter etc) it can be used. They actually fall into the same bracket as a refurb ball (which is also not allowed when the list of conforming balls condition is in effect). In fact refurb balls are more likely to be non-conforming than an X-out one but I've never heard someone challenge a refurb the way some do with an X-out.

The tolerances manufacturers work within the X-out ball are more than likely to perform just as well at amateur level as the main one (probably even for a pro) but if you want true piece of mind and save money then always opt for practice or blemish balls.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
I know he mentioned xouts. I was trying (and possibly failing) to point out that the description on the clubhouse golf web site is referring to Pro V1 practice balls, whilst they are selling ProV1 xouts.

Just trying to say there is a difference between ProV1 practice balls and ProV1 xouts, so the OP didn't think they were buying a ball with just cosmetic blemishes (as they are described as on the clubhouse golf website), as the xouts have more 'defects' than that. But the OP said they wouldn't get them anyway, so as you were everyone.
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Balls marked 'Practice' are no different from the regular (full-price) ball - and therefore should be perfect! It's only the XOuts that will have blemishes or other 'faults'.

Though advertising one, and selling the other is indeed iffy!

Hacker Khan said:
That ain't a bad deal if you get 2 dozen, 20 notes for 12 ProV1s with a minor paint defect and the word practice on them.
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Again, there will be no paint defects with 'Practice' balls.

@palindromicbob That seems believable and sensible - I stand/sit/recline corrected :whistle: So non-conforming - Yes. But playable in all but Elite+ comps - Yes.
 
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Was in Fat Ashley's store the other day (Sports Direct) and they've got some Dunlop DV1 or something claiming to be similar to Pro V's at a cost of £20 per dozen. Think I might give these a try.
I like the Srixon Soft Feel which Fat Ashley sells for £13 per dozen which are a decent ball so the Dunlop DV1 or whatever might be worth a try. It's also a 3 piece ball where the Soft Feel is a 2.
 
patricks148 said:
i was under the impression that" Xouts" might be non conforming and should not be used in comps for that reason, unlike "Practice"???
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basically

as Hacker was trying to explain.......... XXXouts should only be used for practice whilst PRACTICE balls can be used in competition :confused: :)
 
Airlie_Andy said:
I've just found the "practice" version for £23 a dozen or £39.99 for 2 dozen.
http://www.cgdiscountgolf.co.uk/Titleist-ProV1-ProV1-X-Practice-Balls-P1975.aspx
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Be careful with this, I used to buy Pro V1 practice balls all the time but supplies dried up everywhere.I think Titleist stopped selling them in the UK at least.

They used to be packaged in 3-ball sleeves , 4 to a box like the proper Pro V1 balls. However, the advert here say that they are supplied loose in a bag.

Ball looks a bit shiny as well, spidey-sense is tingling.:whistle:
 
Foxholer said:
Balls marked 'Practice' are no different from the regular (full-price) ball - and therefore should be perfect! It's only the XOuts that will have blemishes or other 'faults'.
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Not according to the Titliest web site. I'm assuming they find a cosmetic blemish on them, realise they can't be sold as pukka ones so stamp practice on them and they end up at all the golf tournaments on the driving range.

"Pro V1 Practice golf balls are conforming products that differ only due to a cosmetic blemish such as paint, ink or registration of stamping. Pro V1 Practice golf balls do not have any construction or performance deficiencies."

Yours pedantically...;)

And by the way, there was a very good article in GM recently with Mike and I think Neil T going round the Titliest factory and seeing the whole process. May be they stole a few practice ones and can flog them on.
 
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Foxholer said:
Balls marked 'Practice' are no different from the regular (full-price) ball - and therefore should be perfect! It's only the XOuts that will have blemishes or other 'faults'.

Though advertising one, and selling the other is indeed iffy!



Again, there will be no paint defects with 'Practice' balls.

@palindromicbob That seems believable and sensible - I stand/sit/recline corrected :whistle: So non-conforming - Yes. But playable in all but Elite+ comps - Yes.
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It's not even that they are definitely non-conforming, if that were the case they'd not be allowed, they just aren't counted as being on the list of conforming balls. They are made the same as the normal ball but fail QC and fall outside the manufacturing tolerances of the balls that were sent for testing or are simply below par (forgive the pun) so aren't sold as full price balls but the company can still recoup some costs. Were Practice balls pass QC with regards to physical condition but may have slight cosmetic blemishes.

The only time a ball is definitely non-conforming is when the ball has been submitted for testing and has failed.

The onus of proof is on the person alleging a ball doesn't conform and until that time every ball ball is presumed to be conforming until shown otherwise. So basically for club comps, fill your boots.

Here is the R&A's stance on x-out and practice balls.

X-out' is the common name used for a golf ball that a manufacturer considers to be imperfect (usually for aesthetic reasons only, e.g. paint or printing errors) and, therefore, has crossed out the brand name. A 'refurbished' golf ball is a second-hand ball that has been cleaned and stamped as 'refurbished'.
In the absence of strong evidence to suggest that an 'X-out' or 'refurbished' ball does not conform to the Rules, it is permissible for such a ball to be used. However, in a competition where the Committee has adopted the condition that the ball the player plays must be named on the List of Conforming Golf Balls (see Note to Rule 5-1), such a ball may not be used, even if the ball in question (without the X's or without the 'refurbished' stamp) does appear on the List.
In most cases, 'practice' balls are simply listed, conforming golf balls that have been stamped "Practice", in the same way that golf balls often feature a club or company logo. Such balls may be used even where the Committee has adopted the condition that the ball the player plays must be named on the List of Conforming Golf Balls.

Had this argument before so read up a little ;)
 
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sawtooth said:
Be careful with this, I used to buy Pro V1 practice balls all the time but supplies dried up everywhere.I think Titleist stopped selling them in the UK at least.

They used to be packaged in 3-ball sleeves , 4 to a box like the proper Pro V1 balls. However, the advert here say that they are supplied loose in a bag.

Ball looks a bit shiny as well, spidey-sense is tingling.:whistle:
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Well I ordered a couple of dozen that arrived today and I can't tell the difference so I think they are genuine. In fact half of them dont even have practice stamped on them. I guess until I get them on the course I wont know for certain (probably never will know for certain) but first impressions are good.
 
Airlie_Andy said:
Well I ordered a couple of dozen that arrived today and I can't tell the difference so I think they are genuine. In fact half of them dont even have practice stamped on them. I guess until I get them on the course I wont know for certain (probably never will know for certain) but first impressions are good.
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Are they new or refurbished? Direct Golf seem to offer similar (24 loose in a bag) but they clearly say that they are lake balls. Same picture of the single golf ball in the ad.

http://www.direct-golf.co.uk/golf_b...ce_golf_balls_bag_of_24_golf_balls/p9631.aspx

I hope they are a bargain because I like using Pro V1's with just small cosmetic blemishes (Practice not X-Outs), can be great value if real and new!
 
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