Foxholer
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Finally got this (private) poll to work!
Simple question, based on the current situation - no negotiated changes.
Simple question, based on the current situation - no negotiated changes.
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Pre EU Referendum Poll
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Foxholer
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Seems there may be some hope for Cameron and 'compromises'!
Though Merkel is a much more experienced 'politician' than Cameron, so plenty of room for disappointment too!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33010558
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33005343
Though Merkel is a much more experienced 'politician' than Cameron, so plenty of room for disappointment too!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33010558
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33005343
SocketRocket
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This poll dosent take into account negotiated changes so not really relevant.
CheltenhamHacker
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I think it's very relevant. If the referendum was tomorrow, how would you vote....
SocketRocket
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The OP stated "Simple question, based on the current situation - no negotiated changes."What does Ms Merkel's comments on how she considers negotiations may progress have to do with this Poll?
CheltenhamHacker
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What does Ms Merkel's comments on how she considers negotiations may progress have to do with this Poll?
Apologies, i missed your quote and read it as you saying the poll wasn't relevant!! Oops. Ignore me!
SocketRocket
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:thup:
Foxholer
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I agree it's not relevant to the poll - unless the concessions magically appear before the poll ends! I didn't suggest they were!
But a reasonable place to refer to those news items imo!
And on the contra side..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33017339
I'm inclined to agree with Lord Lawson's last sentence!
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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not so sure about his last statement. I think Cameron might well manage to negotiate some pretty fundamental changes - these being changes that Merkel wants also. I suspect however that he won't be able to negotiate the particular fundamental change(s) that some current NO-bodies are hoping for.
pistol99
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After having six months of non-stop political warmongering on both sides, I can't wait for the EU referendum stuff to fill my television for the next (potentially) two years. :blah:
jp5
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The beauty of a television is that you get to decide what to watch! (including nothing at all
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Foxholer
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The beauty of a television is that you get to decide what to watch! (including nothing at all
H'mm. Not sure that's the case in every household!
MegaSteve
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Hopefully Dave grows a pair and tells Barack to butt out...
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Why? Does the USA not have a stake in what UK does and where it sits with the rest of the EU. IF you don't like what Obama says don't listen.
One point that occurs to me is that the NO-bodies claim benefits for being OUT in invigorated trade with the USA. Well clearly Obama doesn't see any such great benefit to the USA and trade does tend to be a two-way thing.
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MegaSteve
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The last time a Mr President sent a message 'we' ended up in the deep doo dah :angry: ....
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Why should you tell him to shut up though - listen and dismiss if that's what you want to do but listen Since USA is quite a big bit of the RoW and the NO-bodies are bigging up potential of expanded trade with RoW if OUT, then I think we listen. If he doesn't think OUT is a good idea for UK shouldn't we be asking why?
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
I suspect he is speaking more for the continental based American owned companies rather than any concern for any change in 'our' circumstances should 'we' elect to leave...
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Maybe - but you don't know. There must be a good reason he wants UK to stay in Europe - why not listen to his reasoning.
What worries me a bit about the NO-bodies is that too many will not listen to many of the IN arguments citing 'they would say that' or 'what business is it of theirs' type reasons.
SocketRocket
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And very similar things will apply to YES-bodies no doubt.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Maybe - but you are the one telling Obama where to get off.
And then we have Cameron today on sacking ministers if they back an EU exit - claiming that he was misunderstood - his statement yesterday was misrepresented by the press - ALL the press. No Mr Cameron - your arrogance overtook your brain - and today you are standing there all determined and clear about what you meant - and lying through your teeth. Thank God I never voted for your party.
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