Practice chipping on or near the first teeing ground

[LincolnShep]

7-1b prohibits practise before a round with the exception that you can do so on/near a practice area or the first teeing ground.

If it's a shotgun start, is the first teeing ground different for each player? Or is it always Hole 1 regardless of where you're starting play? Same question would apply for fields where some competitors are starting on the tenth.

Thanks in advance.

Shep

 

[woody69]

I think the wording is clear enough. Teeing Ground is the starting place for the hole to be played. It makes no reference that it is the "1st" or "Hole 1".

 

[LincolnShep]

Sorry Woody but it does mention "first" and that's why I'm confused. This is an extract from the relevant R&A page:

Exception: Practice putting or chipping on or near the first teeing ground or any practice area before starting a round or play-off is permitted.

 

[stokie_93]

Sorry Woody but it does mention "first" and that's why I'm confused. This is an extract from the relevant R&A page:

The hole you start in a shotgun start would be your first teeing ground.

The same as it would be if you tee'd off on the back 9. The 10th hole would be your first teeing ground.

 

[duncan mackie]

The hole you start in a shotgun start would be your first teeing ground.

The same as it would be if you tee'd off on the back 9. The 10th hole would be your first teeing ground.

Agree

 

[chrisd]

Sorry Woody but it does mention "first" and that's why I'm confused. This is an extract from the relevant R&A page:

I read it the "the first teeing ground" as the opening hole, which could at mine be the 10th but in a shotgun start it could be any hole, and not the 1st teeing ground, that being always the !st hole on the course

 

[duncan mackie]

I read it the "the first teeing ground" as the opening hole, which could at mine be the 10th but in a shotgun start it could be any hole, and not the 1st teeing ground, that being always the !st hole on the course

The 1st tee would be that; the first teeing ground, or the 1st teeing ground, is the teeing ground of the first hole that you are playing

 

[woody69]

Sorry Woody but it does mention "first" and that's why I'm confused. This is an extract from the relevant R&A page:

There is a difference between "first" and "the 1st" isn't there? Here they are clearly stating the "first" not "the 1st" / Hole 1

 

[duncan mackie]

There is a difference between "first" and "the 1st" isn't there? Here they are clearly stating the "first" not "the 1st" / Hole 1

There's a bigger difference between "tee"/"hole"/"teeing ground"

The teeing ground is the starting place for the hole to be played so the 1st, or first, teeing ground will be the teeing ground of the hole to be played 1st (or first)

 

[woody69]

There's a bigger difference between "tee"/"hole"/"teeing ground"

The teeing ground is the starting place for the hole to be played so the 1st, or first, teeing ground will be the teeing ground of the hole to be played 1st (or first)

Whatchoo talking about Willis? I'm confused as to the relevance.

 

[duncan mackie]

Whatchoo talking about Willis? I'm confused as to the relevance.

Which bit isnt clear?

We are discussing the exception to 7-1b and its application.

It wouldn't matter if it was worded 1st teeing ground or first teeing ground - it would be referencing the teeing ground of the first hole to be played in your stipulated round because of the definition of teeing ground.

 

[woody69]

Which bit isnt clear?

We are discussing the exception to 7-1b and its application.

It wouldn't matter if it was worded 1st teeing ground or first teeing ground - it would be referencing the teeing ground of the first hole to be played in your stipulated round because of the definition of teeing ground.

I think you have misunderstood me. I mentioned the difference between "the 1st" and "the first", where "the 1st" refers to Hole 1 and "the first" would refer to whatever hole you start at first. That is why I tried to make the distinction in the wording.

 

[duncan mackie]

I think you have misunderstood me. I mentioned the difference between "the 1st" and "the first", where "the 1st" refers to Hole 1 and "the first" would refer to whatever hole you start at first. That is why I tried to make the distinction in the wording.

No, I understood the distinction you were trying to bring in and pointed out that there is no such distinction in the rules - the 1st teeing ground = the first teeing ground and both = the teeing ground of the starting hole.

 

[woody69]

No, I understood the distinction you were trying to bring in and pointed out that there is no such distinction in the rules - the 1st teeing ground = the first teeing ground and both = the teeing ground of the starting hole.

The OP read the rules that said "the first teeing ground" as the 1st hole, I.e. hole 1, where as I suggested first was simply the hole you started at. I really don't understand why you raised the point you did tbh as you simply said the same thing I did in a slightly more wordy way

 

[Lazkir]

Going to have some fun with this at the next comp as it went around the club a few months ago that chipping practice whilst waiting at the first tee was against the rules. Nobody has done it since.

 

[chrisd]

Going to have some fun with this at the next comp as it went around the club a few months ago that chipping practice whilst waiting at the first tee was against the rules. Nobody has done it since.

I just can't believe that no one at a club knows even this basic rule!

 

[duncan mackie]

The OP read the rules that said "the first teeing ground" as the 1st hole, I.e. hole 1, where as I suggested first was simply the hole you started at. I really don't understand why you raised the point you did tbh as you simply said the same thing I did in a slightly more wordy way

My apologies - looking back on the each post it would appear that chrisd's post threw in the element of 1st and first in this context, and that you and I have been in violent agreement.

 

[Lazkir]

I just can't believe that no one at a club knows even this basic rule!

Like a lot of things, golf is one of those things that are 'picked up' as you go along.
I only know about four people that were playing golf when they were 12 or 13 years old, the rest of us started playing when we hit 30 or 40 and therefore never had the time to indoctrinate ourselves with the myriad of complex and sometimes seemingly illogical rules.
But we're (or I am) are quite happy to be corrected or educated about our lack of knowledge regarding the rules, it doesn't mean we're thick or lazy or anything. It's just that a lot of us have other things to focus on such as families and work. Golf rules come way down the list in comparison.
Most of us don't want to cheat and want to comply, but I'm stuffed if I'm going to study obscure rulings even if it is about the game I love

 

[louise_a]

As you can practice chipping to the tee of the next hole to be played mid round I would think that you will be allowed to practice to the tee of any hole you start in a shotgun.

 

[2blue]

Like a lot of things, golf is one of those things that are 'picked up' as you go along.
I only know about four people that were playing golf when they were 12 or 13 years old, the rest of us started playing when we hit 30 or 40 and therefore never had the time to indoctrinate ourselves with the myriad of complex and sometimes seemingly illogical rules.
But we're (or I am) are quite happy to be corrected or educated about our lack of knowledge regarding the rules, it doesn't mean we're thick or lazy or anything. It's just that a lot of us have other things to focus on such as families and work. Golf rules come way down the list in comparison.
Most of us don't want to cheat and want to comply, but I'm stuffed if I'm going to study obscure rulings even if it is about the game I love

Yeah there's a lot of folk feel as you do..... however there are some that are essential to have clear. One old favourite cropped up the other day when my playing partners were queried about 'practice putting' on the green after having holed out in a Medal...... Everybody.... & I mean everybody said "OK in matchplay but not in stroke-play"..... WRONG!!!