Players complain to union about Paolo

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Players at Sunderland have complained to their union for fines and being dropped under disciplinary rules implemented by Paolo.

Personally I think Paolo is right if players hit the headlines for the wrong reasons and should be fined or even dropped if they step out of line.

I think he was right to drop Phil Bardsley after pictures of him lying on the floor of a casino covered in £50 notes made headlines prior to Sunderland's final game of the season at Tottenham.

I think players now are far too protected and can almost get away with anything, I'd find out who ran to the teacher and stick them in the reserves and on the transfer list immediately.

http://tyneandwear.sky.com/sunderla...-sunderland-boss-paolo-di-canio-after-players
 
pbrown7582 said:
He Was always likely to cause some rifts with the players it's not as if he didn't have previous at Swindon....
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Whilst that may be true I don't think it sets a good precedent by the players running to the union when they have clearly done things wrong but then don't like the punishment dealt out.
 
Fish said:
Whilst that may be true I don't think it sets a good precedent by the players running to the union when they have clearly done things wrong but then don't like the punishment dealt out.
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Totally agree and also it sets a worse precedent that the union don't seem to have dealt with it well , if you don't turn up for training or let the club or clubs image down by your actions you should be reprimanded , your an employee of the club , you have to obey by the clubs rules ,
 
It all depends now on who the board want to back. Side with the players and lose the manager, or side with the manager and lose the players... It backfired on Phil Brown at Hull...
 
Tough one, as long as Bardsley performs on the pitch and doesn't bring the clubs name into disrepute then his own down time is his, if he wants to lie covered in £50 notes at a casino thats his choice, makes him appear an arrogant show off granted but he's done nothing wrong I reckon.

Strong managers will gain respect but they have a line they cannot cross either as being too strong can easily be construed as bullying.
 
As a Sunderland supporter, I'm all in favour of what he's done. An obscene amount of money has been pumped into the club over the past six or seven years and we were extremely fortunate this year to avoid the drop. What has been worse this year, has been witnessing such negative, uninspiring football about 90% of the time.

It even reduced Martin O'Neill to a shadow of the man he once was. Bardsley can have absolutely no complaint, if as was reported yesterday he came into training "all blurry" and couldn't take instruction or look PdC in the eye. Comments reportedly from his partner this morning that PdC is a "psycho drama queen" show how out of touch with reality these people are.

The area here is not affluent; these guys earn more in a week than the average person here earns in two or three years - if they earn anything at all. If they'd just won the Champions League then they would have been forgiven pretty much anything - but he did it 'celebrating' a win by Swansea that kept them up with one game to go, after a season where he as has been out injured for 95% of it.

A lack of brain cells is the main problem.
 
Valentino said:
Tough one, as long as Bardsley performs on the pitch and doesn't bring the clubs name into disrepute then his own down time is his, if he wants to lie covered in £50 notes at a casino thats his choice, makes him appear an arrogant show off granted but he's done nothing wrong I reckon.
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But he could be seen to be showing the club in a poor light with that behavior as he is an ambassador for the club as one of their players. Running to the players union just makes the players look weak and like prima donnas because they dont like something their manager has done, its not like Paolo has been there for years doing this and not listened to anyone.

If they don't like it they can go play for another manager who will let them get away with this.
 
MGL said:
As a Sunderland supporter, I'm all in favour of what he's done.
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I'm inclined to agree (and I'm independent), though it's a dangerous path for a manager to travel - probably essential though if he wants to make some sort of turnaround!

Was O'Neill's reluctance to do this a significant contribution to his lack of results?

I hope it works out for PdC. And I hope the Player's Union 'grows a pair' and tells the players to get on with the job that reaps them huge rewards!
 
Mark McGhee tells a cracking story about Sir Alex Ferguson. When Fergie was Aberdeen manager and McGhee was a player McGhee spent all his spare time playing snooker to a high standard. McGhee won through to a final on a Friday night however Fergie had a strict regime in place even during his spell at Aberdeen and forbid players to go out the night before a match.

Anyway McGhee thinks this is low key enough to slip under the radar and goes and plays in the snooker final, no drinking just playing his snooker. About half an hour into the final in bursts Fergie and Knox and give him an absolute verbal dooing before dragging him out of the snooker hall in front of the crowd and also dropped him for the Saturday as well.

Sadly players have too much power now. Like Val, I'm not sure if getting pictured covered in £50 notes is worth a fine unless he was blazing drunk as well.
 
Bardsley is a total plonker with a bad attitude thats why Rangers got shot of him and the same reason Man Utd got rid of him,these fannies earn scary amounts of money for being very average players with a total lack of awareness of the real world .. PdC for all his faults always gave 100% and wants his players to do the same but he should do it behind closed doors and not in the media spotlight.

Always remember Jim McClean when he was manager at Dundee Utd the year they won the league fining his players for lack of
effort after they'd beaten Motherwell 6-0 there was not one complaint ,so these fannies need to grow a set and get on with it.
 
Foxholer said:
I'm inclined to agree (and I'm independent), though it's a dangerous path for a manager to travel - probably essential though if he wants to make some sort of turnaround!

Was O'Neill's reluctance to do this a significant contribution to his lack of results?

I hope it works out for PdC. And I hope the Player's Union 'grows a pair' and tells the players to get on with the job that reaps them huge rewards!
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I agree that its a fine line. Hopefully what he was planning to do was to wait until they were safe, then deliver some short, sharp shocks to the system to separate 'wheat from the chaffe' (obviously, its mainly chaffe before the Geordies pipe up!). They have basically sleepwalked through the season. I think it is now time to stop airing our dirty linen in public though, although I think there is fat chance of that with PdC!!

MoN approach wasn't working. He would turn up on a Thursday for coaching and wasn't hands on enough. I think, to be fair to him, the situation with his wife's health is what has changed. Pretty much every supporter backed the appointment and pretty much every supported was gutted it didn't work out with him. The club had become slack and culturally, a lazy attitude had seeped through the ranks.

The Chairman I think saw this from afar and took decisive action to protect his investment. There is absolutely no way on earth we would have stayed up without the change.

Looking forward, I think we have installed the 'poor mans' Mourinho. It will be a rollercoaster but I have to say - leaving politics out of it - he has everyone behind him in terms of what he's promising.

I'm looking forward to it.
 
MGL said:
I agree that its a fine line. Hopefully what he was planning to do was to wait until they were safe, then deliver some short, sharp shocks to the system to separate 'wheat from the chaffe' (obviously, its mainly chaffe before the Geordies pipe up!). They have basically sleepwalked through the season. I think it is now time to stop airing our dirty linen in public though, although I think there is fat chance of that with PdC!!

MoN approach wasn't working. He would turn up on a Thursday for coaching and wasn't hands on enough. I think, to be fair to him, the situation with his wife's health is what has changed. Pretty much every supporter backed the appointment and pretty much every supported was gutted it didn't work out with him. The club had become slack and culturally, a lazy attitude had seeped through the ranks.

The Chairman I think saw this from afar and took decisive action to protect his investment. There is absolutely no way on earth we would have stayed up without the change.

Looking forward, I think we have installed the 'poor mans' Mourinho. It will be a rollercoaster but I have to say - leaving politics out of it - he has everyone behind him in terms of what he's promising.

I'm looking forward to it.
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I don't know why you keep going on about "airing our dirty linen in public", PdC hasn't, he has simply put fines and bans in place and all this only came to light after the players complained to the union. I think PdC has acted properly since his appointment at Sunderland.

MegaSteve said:
Whats so 'wrong' about this is that PdiC needs to take a long hard look at his own conduct before finding fault with others...
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..and what has he done at Sunderland or, does any or all of his baggage always go with him with no opportunity to be looked upon differently and in a new light.
 
Fish said:
..and what has he done at Sunderland or, does any or all of his baggage always go with him with no opportunity to be looked upon differently and in a new light.
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The guy is just too 'me me me' for my liking... He arrived at Sunderland as if he was the new messiah... Puzzling attitude for someone who wants to be taken seriously... Surely?
 
MegaSteve said:
The guy is just too 'me me me' for my liking... He arrived at Sunderland as if he was the new messiah... Puzzling attitude for someone who wants to be taken seriously... Surely?
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Everyone is different how they manage and present themselves and its only results and players showing commitment on & off the pitch towards your club (employer) that should count, and he certainly turned that around very quickly so the board need to back him or they'll go backwards again! You cannot have player rule whether unions are involved or not.

I think the bloke needs a break and should be judged on results and players attitudes alone at Sunderland, weed the trouble makers out and start a fresh ready for next season.
 
When Gérard Houllier took over at Villa he had to sort out the dressing room as the players had a free run....now the same seems to be happening at Sunderland.
Common denominator....Martin O'Neill.
 
gripitripit said:
When Gérard Houllier took over at Villa he had to sort out the dressing room as the players had a free run....now the same seems to be happening at Sunderland.
Common denominator....Martin O'Neill.
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There may be something in that now that you mention it, there are a few players at Celtic couldn't take to Gordon Strachan after MoN left.

Sutton and Thompson both left quickly, Balde rarely played after his arrival and seen his contract out and Petrov asked to leave after his first season, the only O'Neil stalwarts left were Hartson who knew Strachan already and Lennnon who was Celtic to the core (and still is).

Martin O'Neil is a legend at Celtic but it appears lots of his ex clubs are left with his pieces to pick up, some recovered quickly (Celtic) others have yet to recover (Leicester, Villa and maybe now Sunderland).

Interesting.
 
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