Plasterboard fixings

[spongebob59]

Suggestion please for a fixing to put in a platerboard ceiling to hold a rope style plant holder.
Normally would try and find a joist to go into but no idea where they are
Ta.

 

[fundy]

Have used both the metal self drill ones and also the plastic ones that you use like a normal plug, both work as long as you dont put too much weight on them. For a ceiling id probably put a couple in to split the load and hang the plant across them both

That or find the joist

 

[GreiginFife]

Depends on how much weight will be on it as plants can be quite heavy.

Either find the joist by using a small test drill (can easily fill), if you don’t have a stud detector. Knocking on the plasterboard will give you a rough (very rough) idea as it will resonate more the further you are from a joist.

For anything over a few Kgs I would avoid the self screwing “weevil” types as they are crap.

Personally I’d use either an 8mm or 10mm interest type of fixing that ‘butterflies’ behind the plasterboard and are genuine heavy weight capacity.

As Fundy says though, use two if the weight is quite high and if it makes sense to spread the load.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

https://www.wickes.co.uk/Fischer-Sp...VomLmCh3fAgX9EAQYBCABEgLDU_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Something like this might do the job

 

[spongebob59]

Can someone just post it can't be done and I'll show her that ?

 

[RichA]

I've been putting fixings into plasterboard for 30 years. I now have about 20 subtly different types of rawlplug and 40 different screw types in my toolbox, because the main thing I've learned is that any combination rarely works more than twice in a row.
I normally start by drilling the smallest hole possible to investigate what's behind the board and take it from there. You can always make the hole bigger.

 

[Slab]

Pretty much an impossibility, sorry

 

[Golfmmad]

I've been putting fixings into plasterboard for 30 years. I now have about 20 subtly different types of rawlplug and 40 different screw types in my toolbox, because the main thing I've learned is that any combination rarely works more than twice in a row.
I normally start by drilling the smallest hole possible to investigate what's behind the board and take it from there. You can always make the hole bigger.

I always used that philosophy, you can always make a small hole bigger but cannot make a big hole smaller!
If the weight isn't too heavy then the metal self screw is far better than the plastic ones. The safest is obviously into the wooden joist.

 

[jim8flog]

Find the joists by knocking the ceiling with you knuckles listening to the sound. You will definitely notice a change in the tone between the sections with a cavity above and the sections with a joist.

Also look carefully for the slight indents where the screws hold the plasterboard to the joists they shopud be obvious by all being in a straight line. You can then use standard wood screws.

Remember to check for heating or water pipe runs and electric wires.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

These look quite handy, and the nearest to you is Bobbing
Axminster power tools

 

[spongebob59]

These look quite handy, and the nearest to you is Bobbing
Axminster power tools

Thanks ?

 

[PJ87]

These look quite handy, and the nearest to you is Bobbing
Axminster power tools

I have 4 of these holding up my 40 inch TV in the loft on plasterboard

 

[BrianM]

Your joists more than likely will be at 600mm centres ??

 

[fundy]

Your joists more than likely will be at 600mm centres ??

think id want to know when it was built and who by before betting even money on that lol

they should be, but......................

 

[jim8flog]

I have 4 of these holding up my 40 inch TV in the loft on plasterboard

Holding up things on plasterboard walls is a very different thing to holding up things on a plasterboard ceiling. The forces involved are in different directions.

 

[Fade and Die]

Holding up things on plasterboard walls is a very different thing to holding up things on a plasterboard ceiling. The forces involved are in different directions.

Yes this exactly, the fixings Paul has holding up his telly are fine for the task as the shearing force is spread throughout the plasterboard by the coloured plastic body, if I couldn’t find the joist or lift a board above for a noggin I would go with the spring toggle Phil linked every time.

 

[spongebob59]

Found something called a swag hook, which looks like it'll do the job ?

 

[sev112]

Water weighs a lot more than soil. I would doubt that few of the good wall fixings would stay in a ceiling hanging vertically - there is no other load path, and it will just pull out over small area. In wall fixings you almost always get a substantial amount of support from vertical shear force being taken on the thickness of the plasterboard as well as the fixing strength - few of those fixings on a wall will actually be in pure tension like they would be in a ceiling

find those joists

 

[Pants]

Hey Spongie. As a ceiling fixer for over 30 years, whatever you intend doing, DON'T rely on a plasterboard fixing to carry the load of a hanging basket (or whatever). For 1, with watering it may prove too heavy, and 2, just think of the ceiling, floor and planting damage that would happen if the fixings fail. Unless HID can definitely locate the joists for you, leave well alone.

 

[Tashyboy]

Every wall in my house is plasterboard and breeze block. Same fixings for all walls. Daughter had a multitude of different walls and is a bloody nightmare to hang things on.
A simple “ dad could you “ means a days job finding out weight of telly, mirror etc. what wall it is on then sourcing the right fixings.