Doon frae Troon
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Cameron does not have one if the UK votes to leave the EU.
Nick Robinson asked him five times and he did/could not answer.
Nick Robinson asked him five times and he did/could not answer.
Plan B
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fundy
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sounds like hes taken the Salmond approach to politics lol
Doon frae Troon
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Goose and Gander spring to mind:lol:
Sweep
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Maybe Scotland should leave the UK and join the.... Oh no, done that. 
Not so sure we need a plan B, but what we do need is a clear view on what we will have if we leave the EU. The big question is will we have a trading deal with the EU (which is what we originally signed up for) meaning no VAT or duty for imports and exports.
Mr. Cameron must not make the same mistakes (as the Yes campaign did too) as he made in the Scottish referendum where voters actually did not know key things in the event of a yes vote, like what currency would be available etc. We must know what we are voting for so that we can make the right decision for our nation.
Not so sure we need a plan B, but what we do need is a clear view on what we will have if we leave the EU. The big question is will we have a trading deal with the EU (which is what we originally signed up for) meaning no VAT or duty for imports and exports.
Mr. Cameron must not make the same mistakes (as the Yes campaign did too) as he made in the Scottish referendum where voters actually did not know key things in the event of a yes vote, like what currency would be available etc. We must know what we are voting for so that we can make the right decision for our nation.
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I was a fan of his first album
Ethan
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He doesn't need one. He doesn't really want to leave the EU, nor does Labour, and big business and anyone with half a brain doesn't. Daily Mail readers do, but I have already mentioned them by implication.
Old Skier
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Quite agree but those with a full brain do want a change in the conditions and a reduction of the powers handed out by faceless bureaucrats and nodded through by a bunch of money grabbing euro MPs who cannot even balance the books.
fundy
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what a shock, page 1 of a political thread on here and we have the I know better post and anyone who disagrees is a mail reader or doesnt have half a brain - you come across as really intelligent. Imo there are plenty of very sensible and rational reasons for wanting to leave the EU, whether they exceed the benefits of staying makes for a decent discussion but some people clearly already know whats best for everyone else!
Pin-seeker
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Terrible actor tho.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well most political threads on here eventually degenerate into quasi UKIP politicking anyway. He was right about the Daily Mail readers though...
Ethan
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Do you subscribe to the paper edition of the Mail or just read it online?
You seem to offer your informed opinion rather freely. Do you think others can't?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Maybe Scotland should leave the UK and join the.... Oh no, done that.
Not so sure we need a plan B, but what we do need is a clear view on what we will have if we leave the EU. The big question is will we have a trading deal with the EU (which is what we originally signed up for) meaning no VAT or duty for imports and exports.
Mr. Cameron must not make the same mistakes (as the Yes campaign did too) as he made in the Scottish referendum where voters actually did not know key things in the event of a yes vote, like what currency would be available etc. We must know what we are voting for so that we can make the right decision for our nation.
Doubt prior to any referendum we'd get any real clarity about life outside of the EU - after all who is going to (dare) enter into any discussions with the UK on such an assumption.
SocketRocket
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Do you though? I believe from a previous post you are a well educated person in certain fields but these qualifications didn't seem to give you the ability to debate the subject matter without name calling and belittling those with a different opinion.
Back to the OP's point.
There is plenty of time for the options to be worked out after an attempt to negotiate changes to the way we will work with the EU in the future. I dont hold out much chance of this being fruitful though.
My opinion is that we need to have the backbone to get out of the EU club that saps us of our political and cultural will to manage our own affairs and trade. We should not accept the scare policy that we will lose most of our trade as we trade at a deficit with the EU and they would lose out more if it cut their exports to the UK.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
You mean just the same sort of scaremongering that the YES campaign were accusing the BT campaign of putting out and for which the YES campaign was hammered for telling votes to not accept.
And 'having backbone' sounds to me like 'having courage - or taking the risk' - just the sort of things again for which the YES campaign was hammered for suggesting the Scots electorate.
I think if there is a referendum the OUT campaign may well suffer the same accusations as did the YES campaign - and quite possibly with the same result. Maybe a big vote for OUT - but not enough as too much uncertainty. Especially if at any tie the UK wanted back in - only if the UK accepts the Euro as currency would be the demand from Strasbourg and Brussels.
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Foxholer
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What 'trading at a deficit' means is that we spend more (in that area) than we earn. If we lose the 'free trade' advantage, then goods we sell to the EU will be more expensive, so will almost sell less, and goods that we buy from the EU will cost more.
It would be a 'lose-lose' situation - which is exactly why free trade is so important. And while it should be probably be a concern for the EU, it's not something they can really affect - except as an incentive to restore free trade. It should, however be of great concern to the UK as the overall trade deficit, both with EU and elsewhere, would almost certainly increase!
It's not about sticking two fingers up at the EU! It's about doing what is best for UK! And losing the Free Trade with EU would certainly not be best for the UK!
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Sweep
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I knew one mention of the Daily Mail would bring Hacker out!Well most political threads on here eventually degenerate into quasi UKIP politicking anyway. He was right about the Daily Mail readers though...
Ethan
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Catch a grip. Look at who started the name calling. I just responded in kind.
It is obvious, even to some Mail readers, that Cameron is using the threat of a referendum to leverage changes to EU strictures. Fair enough, although it is mostly to appease his voter base here in the face of a rising UKIP threat. But no sensible political commentator actually believes that Cameron wants to leave the EU, so when it comes to the vote, the parties will line up, just as they did in the Scottish referendum.
All this stuff about power being taken away from the British people supposes that the Govt in Westminster somehow represents the British people. It really doesn't. It represents itself and its crony backers, mostly in the City. Just as you say we should not accept the scare policy of losing trade, I say we should not fall for the line that a nominal transfer of any powers away from Brussels will make the slightest difference in reality.
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I thoght he was OK in the sweeny, but can't say I am a fan of his music.
USER1999
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Ray Winston was terrible in the Sweeney.
Surely it's not up to Cameron to explain the ins and outs of leaving the EU? It's up to those who want to leave it. Cameron should be extolling the virtues of staying in it.
Doon frae Troon
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hmmmmmmmmmm after a major political misjudgement, last minute panic measures and making promises that will be impossible to deliver.
I am not sure if I would trust Cameron's political judgment too much, especially as part of his party is now starting to leak away to the Kippers.
