Par competitions and handicaps

[cliveb]

Not sure if this belongs here or in Rules of Golf - it's a Congu rules question.

A while back I scored +3 in a par competetion, and was cut 0.4 (I'm a Cat 4 player).
I then discovered that another competitor who also scored +3 was cut 0.6 (he's a Cat 2 player).

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he returned a score on every hole and never scored worse than a net single bogey, whereas I picked up on a couple of holes. So my guess is that I was awarded a net double bogey on those holes for handicapping purposes.

Should par competitions be qualifiers for handicapping purposes? If they are, then presumably it is not a good idea to just pick up if you have a chance of getting a net single bogey. But this is at odds with our club committee's policy of speeding up play whenever possible. Any thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

My advice is play it as a stableford.
Pick up once you've made net double bogey. That extra shot shouldn't take too long, and if it does, then you are taking too long on each shot.

 

[rosecott]

Not sure if this belongs here or in Rules of Golf - it's a Congu rules question.

A while back I scored +3 in a par competetion, and was cut 0.4 (I'm a Cat 4 player).
I then discovered that another competitor who also scored +3 was cut 0.6 (he's a Cat 2 player).

The only thing that makes sense to me is that he returned a score on every hole and never scored worse than a net single bogey, whereas I picked up on a couple of holes. So my guess is that I was awarded a net double bogey on those holes for handicapping purposes.

Should par competitions be qualifiers for handicapping purposes? If they are, then presumably it is not a good idea to just pick up if you have a chance of getting a net single bogey. But this is at odds with our club committee's policy of speeding up play whenever possible. Any thoughts?

Par/Bogey competitions are qualifiers and there is definitely something wrong there. There is a table in the CONGU manual for converting Par/Bogey scores to Nett Differentials. If the Cat 2 player mentioned was cut 0.6 then his Nett Differential was -3. With your score you would also be Nett Differential -3 and you should have been cut 1.2.

Stableford adjustment plays no part in Par/Bogey competitions. Once a loss happens on a hole, the size of the score made has no relevance and the player's medal score also has no relevance.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Something is wrong there. Handicaps for Par\bogey comps aren't adjusted on s'ford points\adjustments. It is entirely possible to shoot a s'ford score that would get you a cut yet "lose" to the course and go up 0.1.

If you both had the same score, you should get the same 3 x buffer cut, so you should get 1.2. I think you need to ask some question of your club.

 

[Foxholer]

I agree with Rosecott and Hawkeye.

Get it checked out.

In Par/Bogey comps, you can pick up as soon as you have lost/will lose the hole. No need for the extra shot and if everybody does that it can speed up play significantly! Does restrict the number of putts though, which can be uncomfortable if it happens consecutively.

 

[cliveb]

Something is wrong there. Handicaps for Par\bogey comps aren't adjusted on s'ford points\adjustments. It is entirely possible to shoot a s'ford score that would get you a cut yet "lose" to the course and go up 0.1.

If you both had the same score, you should get the same 3 x buffer cut, so you should get 1.2. I think you need to ask some question of your club.

OK, thanks for the clarification. I have now seen the table (Appendix D) and will ask at the club about it.
What seems very strange is that we use Club 2000, and I'd have expected that to get it right!

 

[pbrown7582]

Computer software only outputs relative to input, garbage in garbage out....

Definitely doesn't seem right you only had a -1 cut and some else had -3 cut for same comp unless you played different days and a different CSS was applicable?

 

[duncan mackie]

agree with the others Clive - which club was it and I'll look at the results via HDID and see if there's something obvious.

if the CSS was Par -2 then your adjustment of 0.4 would be correct and it's possible the other players adjustment crossed with an Open result or otherwise got confused?

 

[cliveb]

agree with the others Clive - which club was it and I'll look at the results via HDID and see if there's something obvious.

if the CSS was Par -2 then your adjustment of 0.4 would be correct and it's possible the other players adjustment crossed with an Open result or otherwise got confused?

Thanks for the offer - I think it's probably good manners for me to check it at the club first before asking others to get involved. If that fails, then I'll PM you with the details.