one stroke or two stroke penalty..also one club or two club lengths relief.

[sJoe]

Is there an easy way of working out whether it's a one or two stroke penalty, and same question and easy way to know if it's one club length or two when taking relief..I don't seem to be able to see a pattern to it..
Thanks for any help..
Joe

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I believe that if you are getting a free drop it's one club length

If it's under penalty it's 2 club ?

As for the amount of stroke penalty - that will be fully dependant on the offence

 

[la_lucha]

Google is your friend.

 

[louise_a]

Free relief is one, penalty relief is two, normally things that you get free relief from are on the scorecard. normally man made structures, staked trees or burrowing animal holes

 

[North Mimms]

Google is your friend.

Google is not my friend. We are barely on speaking terms these days.

 

[atticusfinch]

Is there an easy way of working out whether it's a one or two stroke penalty, and same question and easy way to know if it's one club length or two when taking relief..I don't seem to be able to see a pattern to it..
Thanks for any help..
Joe

Please note my use of the word "generally."

Generally, a one stroke penalty accompanies a situation where you take relief from a condition that would be a natural part of the golf course such as a water hazard. One stroke is the price you pay for moving your ball to a better situation or lie than your stroke gave you. Because you paid a price for it you are allowed two clublengths for the relief.

The rules allow you to take relief without penalty from situations that are normally not a natural part of the course, such as man made structures and construction or occasional flooding. Because this type of relief costs nothing you are allowed only one clublength.

A two stroke penalty is generally associated with breaching a rule, not taking relief. Such as playing the wrong ball. In match play this type of penalty is loss of hole.

The term penalty is an unfortunate one because it connotes punishment for doing something wrong. The rules are not judgmental, they are designed to make a level playing field for all players. The term "adjustment" is better and is a way tho think about penalty strokes without a stigma.

I repeat: "GENERALLY." It is safer to rely on reading the rules than developing a rule of thumb.

 

[rulefan]

Penalty = 2cl from point of reference
No penalty = 1cl from nearest point of relief

1 sp if you have no control (accidental) eg moving ball
2 sp if you could have avoided it. eg wrong ball or wrong place.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Google is your friend.

I would have thought the rules of golf would be quite useful as well. There is a brief guide that should cover the most common ones

 

[pbrown7582]

1 sp if you have no control (accidental) eg moving ball
2 sp if you could have avoided it. eg wrong ball or wrong place.

This is a good "general" way of getting a good guide.

 

[Foxholer]

1 sp if you have no control (accidental) eg moving ball
2 sp if you could have avoided it. eg wrong ball or wrong place.

Nice try, but far less cut and dried! All accidents are avoidable!

Same sort of issue applies in Matchplay. Though over whether Penalty or Loss of Hole.

 

[Colin L]

This handy aide memoire is in my refereeing folder:

http://throughthegreen.org/Groups of Rules to Remember - 2014.pdf

 

[3offTheTee]

Is there any difference in how far the ball can roll whether it is a 1 shot or 2 shot penalty?

 

[Colin L]

No. If you look at Rule 20-2 you will see that it governs a ball generally dropped under the Rules and so the requirements to re-drop laid down in Rule 20-2c, including not more than a 2 club length roll, apply to any drop.

 

[sJoe]

thanks Colin L that list is really helpful, everyone should use it..

 

[sJoe]

Thanks to you all for your answers and help..I've been doing the R and A's Academy rules course and kept getting between 92% and 96% but never 100%, but now I have got that 100%..so will now go for the exam..This is what was letting my down..
"A" plays a ball from a water hazard and it lands very close to the edge of the green, thinking it is on the green he.. marks it..cleans it.. and replaces it then putts out..What is the penalty since the ball was not on the green..???
I thought the answer was 2 strokes as it was a deliberate action, but it seems it's only a one shot penalty..mmmmmm

 

[rulefan]

I thought the answer was 2 strokes as it was a deliberate action, but it seems it's only a one shot penalty..mmmmmm

The rule makes provision for the fact that moving the ball is more likely to be an accident and it would be impossible to legislate for both with different penalties.
But you get the second penalty stroke if you don't replace it, which is not accidental.

 

[MashieNiblick]

"A" plays a ball from a water hazard and it lands very close to the edge of the green, thinking it is on the green he.. marks it..cleans it.. and replaces it then putts out..What is the penalty since the ball was not on the green..???
I thought the answer was 2 strokes as it was a deliberate action, but it seems it's only a one shot penalty..mmmmmm

This is covered in Decision 18-2a/13 Ball Lifted Without Authority and Cleaned.

I suspect a lot of the questions will be related to specific decisions.

 

[rulefan]

18-2a/13 is really about cleaning a ball.

Rule 18-2 covers it specifically.
But I believe sJoe's post was about the value of the penalty in suggestion I posted earlier in the thread

1 sp if you have no control (accidental) eg moving ball
2 sp if you could have avoided it. eg wrong ball or wrong place.

 

[MashieNiblick]

18-2a/13 is really about cleaning a ball.

Rule 18-2 covers it specifically.
But I believe sJoe's post was about the value of the penalty in suggestion I posted earlier in the thread

1 sp if you have no control (accidental) eg moving ball
2 sp if you could have avoided it. eg wrong ball or wrong place.

Yes I agree that the decision is about whether there is an additional penalty for cleaning the ball. The wording of the question closely follows the wording of the decision which makes me think it is likely that he point of the question was to establish knowledge of whether there was an additional penalty for cleaning as well as lifting, rather than testing knowledge of whether the penalty for lifting was 1 or 2 shots. Hence my comment about questions being linked to specific decisions.

Not what the OP asking, I know. Didn't mean to confuse matters.