3offTheTee
Tour Rookie
Has anybody an idea what is likely to change please?
New Rules w.e.f. January 2023
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Crow
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w.e.f. ?
w.c.p.w.w.w.a.m?
w.c.p.w.w.w.a.m?
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Not sure if these rules will make it 
https://www.alistairtaitgolf.com/post/rule-change-will-make-golf-easier
PS - Check the date of the post
https://www.alistairtaitgolf.com/post/rule-change-will-make-golf-easier
PS - Check the date of the post
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
The next version of the rules book is just likely to merge all the current clarifications in to the book
https://www.usga.org/content/usga/h...clarifications-of-the-2019-rules-of-golf.html
https://www.usga.org/content/usga/h...clarifications-of-the-2019-rules-of-golf.html
salfordlad
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Yes, the clarifications are to be absorbed. Other general directions being attempted include: dealing with other issues/complications that the 4 years of experience and feedback have thrown up; a concerted effort to bring more of the interpretations into the rules (especially any that are "rule-making"); and an attempted re-vamp of related and unrelated issues in the multiple rule breach scenarios (to reduce subjectivity).
Jigger
Club Champion
I really hope there new guidance on bunkers as nobody is raking them now!
DickInShorts
Newbie
Not sure that statement is correct!
I rake any bunker I’m in and leave the rake either in the middle or outside away from the line of play - just wish others would too
IanM
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Is it the clarification of the clarifications, or clarification of the clarifications' clarifications?
salfordlad
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The clarifications of the clarifications will be interesting - I don't think they will all remain entirely intact in current form when translated into the rules. And then if they don't survive a public scrutiny process we will need a clarification of the clarifications' clarifications.
Jigger
Club Champion
So you agree with me but are choosing to be picky over what I wrote ??
?????
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Trouble is there are people like me who hate the rakes being left in the middle of bunkers as it means often means two parts of the bunker need raking and there are a lot of greenkeepers who hate having to get off the mower to move a rake before they can continue with mowing.
Me - I leave in it the part of the bunker where it is least likely to stop or affect a ball going in to the bunker with just the very tip of the rake handle touching the edge.
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DickInShorts
Newbie
Not exactly - you stated that NOBODY is raking them - I pointed out that is false - as 8 rake them and am sure many others do too!So you agree with me but are choosing to be picky over what I wrote ??
Jigger
Club Champion
Sigh
mikejohnchapman
Challenge Tour Pro
OK I'm guilty of this. Personal frustration is when a rake is left in a bunker with the handle outside and the head a foot or two inside. When a ball rolls in and get stuck behind the head you have no shot when you remove the rake and replace the ball.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Simple solution
Back to Covid days - everyone carries their own rake...no rakes in bunkers at all..
QED...
IanM
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Our club issued an order.
Bunker rakes must be left outside the bunker, away from the line of play.
That's apparently way way beyond most people!
Bunker rakes must be left outside the bunker, away from the line of play.
That's apparently way way beyond most people!
Swango1980
Well-known member
I guess it depends how many members actually see this guideline. Is it well publicised? Also, if there are many non-members that play the course, they'll probably have no idea, unless it is explained to every group before they go out.Our club issued an order.
Bunker rakes must be left outside the bunker, away from the line of play.
That's apparently way way beyond most people!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
If only…?
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Our club issued an order.
Bunker rakes must be left outside the bunker, away from the line of play.
That's apparently way way beyond most people!
My uncle always said that rakes should be left IN bunkers. You don't want them outside stopping balls going into bunkers. LOL
Steven Rules
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Committee Procedures 2D - Position of Rakes
There is not a perfect answer for the position of rakes and it is a matter for each Committee to decide whether it has rakes placed in or out of bunkers.
It may be argued that there is more likelihood of a ball being deflected into or kept out of a bunker if the rake is placed outside the bunker. It could also be argued that if the rake is in the bunker it is most unlikely that the ball will be deflected out of the bunker.
However, in practice, players who leave rakes in bunkers frequently leave them at the side of the bunker which tends to stop a ball rolling into the flat part of the bunker resulting in a much more difficult shot than would otherwise have been the case. When the ball comes to rest on or against a rake in the bunker and the player must proceed under Rule 15.2, it may not be possible to replace the ball on the same spot or find a spot in the bunker which is not nearer the hole.
If rakes are left in the middle of the bunker, the only way to position them is to throw them into the bunker and this causes indentations in the sand. Also, if a rake is in the middle of a large bunker, it is either not used or the player is obliged to rake a large area of the bunker when retrieving the rake, resulting in unnecessary delay.
Therefore, after considering all these aspects, and while recognising that the positioning of rakes is at the Committee's discretion, it is recommended that rakes should be left outside bunkers in areas where they are least likely to affect the movement of the ball.
However, a Committee may decide to position rakes inside bunkers to make it easier for maintenance staff to cut fairways and bunker surrounds.
There is not a perfect answer for the position of rakes and it is a matter for each Committee to decide whether it has rakes placed in or out of bunkers.
It may be argued that there is more likelihood of a ball being deflected into or kept out of a bunker if the rake is placed outside the bunker. It could also be argued that if the rake is in the bunker it is most unlikely that the ball will be deflected out of the bunker.
However, in practice, players who leave rakes in bunkers frequently leave them at the side of the bunker which tends to stop a ball rolling into the flat part of the bunker resulting in a much more difficult shot than would otherwise have been the case. When the ball comes to rest on or against a rake in the bunker and the player must proceed under Rule 15.2, it may not be possible to replace the ball on the same spot or find a spot in the bunker which is not nearer the hole.
If rakes are left in the middle of the bunker, the only way to position them is to throw them into the bunker and this causes indentations in the sand. Also, if a rake is in the middle of a large bunker, it is either not used or the player is obliged to rake a large area of the bunker when retrieving the rake, resulting in unnecessary delay.
Therefore, after considering all these aspects, and while recognising that the positioning of rakes is at the Committee's discretion, it is recommended that rakes should be left outside bunkers in areas where they are least likely to affect the movement of the ball.
However, a Committee may decide to position rakes inside bunkers to make it easier for maintenance staff to cut fairways and bunker surrounds.
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