BTatHome
Tour Winner
http://www.geoffshackelford.com is reporting that there a few new decisions for the rules due to be announced Tuesday.
New/Amended decisions due to be announced ?
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rulefan
Tour Winner
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Anyone know yet what the justification is for the 50 yard forward walk that from 1st Jan doesn't prevent a provisional being played?
Is it to consider that the players bag (balls etc) may be between tee and green? or perhaps that tee shot may be blind and 50 yrds may allow visibility of an OB area etc?
Struggling to think why 50 yards is now needed
Is it to consider that the players bag (balls etc) may be between tee and green? or perhaps that tee shot may be blind and 50 yrds may allow visibility of an OB area etc?
Struggling to think why 50 yards is now needed
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
It could be argued that you could currently go forward that sort of distance, but putting in an indicative distance makes ruling easier. Without seeing the actual rule it's not possible to be definitive, but I would expect it to be more along the lines that if you have gone forwards more than 50 yds (without stating your intention to play a provisional and be getting a ball/club etc which is permitted) you will be deemed to have gone forwards to search for your ball.
Currrently "The sole purpose of Rule 27-2 is to enable the player to save time. The only way he can effectively do so is to play the provisional ball before going forward for the purpose of searching for the original ball. However, this provision should not be so narrowly interpreted to preclude a player from playing a provisional ball even though he has proceeded from where he last played in the direction of the original ball, e.g., in retrieving a ball or a different club to play the provisional ball. The Committee must consider all of the relevant facts in determining if the player did in fact go forward to search for the original ball."
rulefan
Tour Winner
chrisd
Major Champion
It does make sense to have a 50 yard rule - we have hole where everyone leaves their gear about that distance and walks to the perimeter of the course to tee off. Its not uncommon to hit oob off the tee and if someone has forgotten to take an extra ball they now can get one without, as before, cadging a new one off me before consigning my spanking new Pro v1 to the woods too!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
as said above, he could (can) already go and get a ball or club for the purposes of playing a provisional. Obviously it makes more sense all round to borrow a ball though!
rulefan
Tour Winner
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
the summary to the introduction of the change states that this is to enable someone who only establishes the need for a provisional after they have gone forward (a bit)
rulefan
Tour Winner
A player will be considered to have gone forward to search when he
has proceeded more than a short distance towards the place where his
original ball is likely to be. As the purpose of Rule 27-2a is to save time,
the player is permitted to go forward a short distance before determining
that it would save time to return promptly to play a provisional ball. As
a guideline, a player should be considered to have proceeded more than
a short distance, and therefore to have gone forward to search, if he has
proceeded more than approximately 50 yards. However, this guideline
does not preclude a player from playing a provisional ball when he has
proceeded more than a short distance for another specific purpose, such
as to retrieve a ball or a different club to play a provisional ball, or to
confer with a referee. (Revised)
Foxholer
Blackballed
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on the (quite reasonable, but subjective imo) new Decision on 18/4 - Trial by TV!
pogle
Head Pro
It's only a very specific area concerning "trial by tv" i.e. has the ball moved a tiny amount. None of the other instances e.g. Tiger's Masters drop, are covered by this decision. Indeed the R&A and USGA have issued a joint statement which says that "Trial by TV" will continue to be used - see http://www.randa.org/~/media/RandA/Related Documents/2013/TV Evidence Joint Statement 2013.ashx
BTatHome
Tour Winner
Interesting one here ....
26-1/17
Point Where Ball Last Crossed Margin of Lateral Water Hazard Determined and Ball Dropped and Played; Point Then Proves to Be Wrong Point
Q. In the circumstances described in Decision 26-1/16, where it becomes known that A’s judgment of where his ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard is incorrect, what is the ruling if A, having dropped a ball in the wrong place, plays it before his error is discovered?
A. A must continue play with the ball played from the wrong place, without penalty. Applying a penalty under Rule 26-1 for playing from the wrong place (see Rule 20-7) is not appropriate. Otherwise, a competitor would risk incurring a penalty every time he makes an honest judgment as to the point where his ball last crosses a water hazard margin and that judgment subsequently proves incorrect. (Revised)
Appears to be in response to Tiger's drop at the Players this year.
26-1/17
Point Where Ball Last Crossed Margin of Lateral Water Hazard Determined and Ball Dropped and Played; Point Then Proves to Be Wrong Point
Q. In the circumstances described in Decision 26-1/16, where it becomes known that A’s judgment of where his ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard is incorrect, what is the ruling if A, having dropped a ball in the wrong place, plays it before his error is discovered?
A. A must continue play with the ball played from the wrong place, without penalty. Applying a penalty under Rule 26-1 for playing from the wrong place (see Rule 20-7) is not appropriate. Otherwise, a competitor would risk incurring a penalty every time he makes an honest judgment as to the point where his ball last crosses a water hazard margin and that judgment subsequently proves incorrect. (Revised)
Appears to be in response to Tiger's drop at the Players this year.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Tiger's judgement of where the ball crossed was not wrong. He simply misunderstood the rule as to where he should drop in relation to that point.
He got confused between dropping on a line through the point and the hole and playing from where he last played.
The essence of the revised decision has not changed and it has nothing to do with the circumstances of Tiger's faulty drop.
BTatHome
Tour Winner
I think you may be confusing the tournaments between the Masters and the Players.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Yes I was.
However, the effect of the decision hasn't changed, only the wording expanded.
