N/R.........No Returns

[moogie]

Just a couple of questions regarding n/r scorecards at YOUR clubs


1) A club I was a member at, had a rule, that if you handed in 3 consecutive N/R cards, then you would have to follow this with a completed round scorecard or face handicap suspension, to stop players manipulating their handicaps

Does your club have anything similar in place to deal with N/R scorecards



2) Secondly, a friend of mine (off 1) at a different club, is guilty of this. I used to play a lot with him.
What about the guy that just puts in 18 scores of zero.....N/R.....into the computer terminal scorecard, for each of the 18 holes when they have actually played a full round sometimes, or even if part round, they have obviously completed some of these holes, but just "childishly" scratch their full card
Even in stableford comp I've seen him spit the dummy out and put in 18 N/R scores, zero points....!!

How is this viewed at your club.....??

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nothing is set out currently and i dont think i have seen it that much TBH

People do NR a lot but most still put in most of the scores through the holes.

We are thinking of DQing people if they dont put their scores into the computer

 

[DCB]

The player is responsible for return in the actual scores taken on all the holes up to the point where they NR. If the round continues they should record the scores after the hole that caused the NR. Entering zero on the computer is not correct. The card should be returned as normal, so scores should be evident on the card.

I'd say a Club could sanction players who abuse the system when recording NRs. With stableford scoring it may still be possible for a handicay to be reduced even if the card is an NR.

 

[pbrown7582]

How are they manulipuating there handicaps NR = +0.1 nett 85 = 0.1 same difference?

 

[rosecott]

Nothing is set out currently and i dont think i have seen it that much TBH

People do NR a lot but most still put in most of the scores through the holes.

We are thinking of DQing people if they dont put their scores into the computer

6-6b/8

Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer

Q. May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?

A. No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b.

However, while it is not permissible to penalize a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a "club regulation" to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g., ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation.

 

[palindromicbob]

Nothing is set out currently and i dont think i have seen it that much TBH

People do NR a lot but most still put in most of the scores through the holes.

We are thinking of DQing people if they dont put their scores into the computer

That is very harsh.

Edit: thanks rosscot for pointing out the actual ruling.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

6-6b/8

Requirement That Score Be Entered into Computer

Q. May a Committee, as a condition of competition, provide that a competitor must enter his score into a computer?

A. No. Such a condition would modify Rule 6-6b.

However, while it is not permissible to penalize a player under the Rules of Golf for failing to enter his score into a computer, a Committee may, in order to assist in the administration of the competition, introduce a "club regulation" to this effect and provide disciplinary sanctions (e.g., ineligibility to play in the next club competition(s)) for failure to act in accordance with the regulation.

Thats great info - cheers :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That is very harsh.

It is - but its also a nightmare for the volunteers going through the cards and results the next day having to shift through every card finding the ones that havent been entered because certain players are too lazy to do it themselves.

 

[DCB]

That is very harsh.

Are these people returning cards ? If not, why not. If they are they should reflect actual scores at holes played and completed.

 

[palindromicbob]

It is - but its also a nightmare for the volunteers going through the cards and results the next day having to shift through every card finding the ones that havent been entered because certain players are too lazy to do it themselves.

Well at least you could introduce a requirement for members to enter their results on the system or be ruled out of any prizes.
3 x in a season and not eligible to enter the big comps.

That should be an incentive enough for anyone.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well at least you could introduce a requirement for members to enter their results on the system or be ruled out of any prizes.
3 x in a season and not eligible to enter the big comps.

That should be an incentive enough for anyone.

yes sorry thats exactly the sort of thing we are thinking off - their score still stands for H/C purposes etc but not able to win prizes

 

[duncan mackie]

yes sorry thats exactly the sort of thing we are thinking off - their score still stands for H/C purposes etc but not able to win prizes

still a can of worms

suspension from competitions in the next calendar month is clear, has time to be communicated, can be administered reasonably easily, has a further benefit that the notice of suspension is visible to others etc etc etc

ie it works

 

[Deleted member 15344]

still a can of worms

suspension from competitions in the next calendar month is clear, has time to be communicated, can be administered reasonably easily, has a further benefit that the notice of suspension is visible to others etc etc etc

ie it works

it possibly will be a can of worms but it will ensure people spend two mins entering their scores

but obviously need flexibilty for people who forget their swipe card etc so it wont be an instant "no enter - no prizes"

 

[duncan mackie]

but obviously need flexibilty for people who forget their swipe card etc so it wont be an instant "no enter - no prizes"

you are opening the can...

so do you post a list of people ineligible for prizes in that competition prior to play? ie you can easily end up with more administration than the admin you are aiming to avoid.

governments do it all the time!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

you are opening the can...

so do you post a list of people ineligible for prizes in that competition prior to play? ie you can easily end up with more administration than the admin you are aiming to avoid.

governments do it all the time!

Well i would hope that once the initial hit is taken then people would start to actually put the cards in - or even just the threat. Its mainly just the same 3 or 4 people

we wouldnt need to list anyone - tell them so they know themselves - everyone else doesnt need to know but would will spread anyway.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

How are they manulipuating there handicaps NR = +0.1 nett 85 = 0.1 same difference?

This ^^^

 

[6inchcup]

How are they manulipuating there handicaps NR = +0.1 nett 85 = 0.1 same difference?

but if you n/r and claim your carrying a twinge in your back/neck big toe etc those that think there better than they are can declare this fact to their mates as opposed to i played like **** !!! even though there is nothing wrong with them.

 

[Foxholer]

It is - but its also a nightmare for the volunteers going through the cards and results the next day having to shift through every card finding the ones that havent been entered because certain players are too lazy to do it themselves.

Rubbish!

The cards have to be checked/matched - it's 'The Committee's' responsibility to do so - anyway and the PSI is merely provisional!

PSI simply allows the 'volunteers' to be lazy!

As for the OP. That 3 NRs requiring a proper score seems a reasonable rule - though perhaps even a bit 'lenient' if somewhat pointless (sic). I'm also not sure whether it's actually legitimate!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rubbish!

The cards have to be checked/matched - it's 'The Committee's' responsibility to do so - anyway and the PSI is merely provisional!

PSI simply allows the 'volunteers' to be lazy!

People give up their own time to "help" - would like our members to ensure that time isn't wasted by doing stuff the members are more than capable of doing themselves but are too lazy to do.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Rubbish!

The cards have to be checked/matched - it's 'The Committee's' responsibility to do so - anyway and the PSI is merely provisional!

PSI simply allows the 'volunteers' to be lazy!

Sorry but that's a poor comment. PSI is there to help those that give up their time free of charge to do a difficult job a helping hand. We always have a number of people who fail to sign in PSI. It's not hard. We have two terminals. It takes a couple of minutes to put scores into it. Why make someone's life much harder because you can't be bothered