Multiverse or Supersymmetry?

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Having watched the rather excellent Storyville on CERN and the discovery of the Higgs particle, I was wondering where the forum stood on this matter?

Do you favour a Multiverse or are you in the Supersymmetry camp? As the Higgs coming in at 125GV really threw me....
 
Hacker Khan said:
Having watched the rather excellent Storyville on CERN and the discovery of the Higgs particle, I was wondering where the forum stood on this matter?

Do you favour a Multiverse or are you in the Supersymmetry camp? As the Higgs coming in at 125GV really threw me....
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Reminded me how much I miss Sheldon et al in 'Big Bang Theory'! :whistle:

As for where I stand...Out of principal, I'm uncertain! It's got me all in a spin! I'll go ask the cat - if it's still alive! :rolleyes:

FWIW. The guy that introduced the concept of D-Plane worked on The Manhatton Project (that may not surprise) so Physics/Maths can be 'beneficial'l!
 
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At the moment the multiverse is ahead in my mind.

Multiple universes with different physical constants, some which didn't work out and that universe collapsing, the stable ones remaining, somewhere the physics is so crazy not even matter can exist! This is similar to the biological experiments which evolution conducted during the Cambrian explosion, this parity suits me well as a scientist as I look for reference points.

The other plus point is the fact we are missing a huge hunk of physics in our universe, dark matter and dark energy. These could come from the other universes having effect on our universe.

Other universes affecting ours could explain why we have such lack of symmetry, quarks are created and destroyed all the time all over the universe, even in labs, they always exist in pairs and are destroyed in pairs by their counterpart. The fact we have the world today is down to the the creation of quarks without a counterpart to destroy it. This phenomenon could be explained by multiple universes.

I don't think super symmetry has as much going for it.

I am really racking my brain, going back to what I can remember from what I have picked up from watching physics programs over the years so I must have got about half of that wrong...
 
Birchy said:
There has to be something on here for the Guardian readers as well :D
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More BBC4 watchers if I'm honest, you know, the intelligent types. But I'm sure there will be a 'My football team is better than yours' thread along shortly for the Daily Mail reading thickos soon though.;)
 
I'm assuming that despite evidence to the contrary the answer to life the universe and everything isn't really 42 as I was led to believe. Surely not. Someone will be here saying Santa's not real next
 
I would lean towards the Multiverse theory, but in reality I'm a fan of the infinity concept.. I like the idea of space reaching out without ever stopping. The beauty of realizing that at some point there will be another exact version of me, who has lived my exact life, and is doing just what I'm doing right now..

It also helps that the infinity concept means that right now, somewhere out "there", Star Wars is happening exactly as it happened in the films...;)
 
There is something 'lazy' about the Multiverse concept that doesn't appeal to me - seems a bit OTT to posit an infinite number of other Universes to try and get round our problems with current ideas. Supersymmetry on the other hand is an elegant idea which seems rather plausible and in keeping with the mainstream of how physics has developed over the last century. So my hope is that supersymmetry turns out to be true and the Multiverse is a temporary distraction to be discarded when no longer needed.
 
Foxholer said:
Reminded me how much I miss Sheldon et al in 'Big Bang Theory'! :whistle:

As for where I stand...Out of principal, I'm uncertain! It's got me all in a spin! I'll go ask the cat - if it's still alive! :rolleyes:

FWIW. The guy that introduced the concept of D-Plane worked on The Manhatton Project (that may not surprise) so Physics/Maths can be 'beneficial'l!
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Erwin Schrödinger would be most pleased :thup:

When it comes to theoretical physics, it's all, well, theoretical :mad:
 
Gareth said:
Erwin Schrödinger would be most pleased :thup:
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Indeed! Though if his one was still alive it would be over 80!

Gareth said:
When it comes to theoretical physics, it's all, well, theoretical :mad:
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Well, only until proven one way or the other - at which point it's either rejected or becomes 'mainstream'.

It was only recently that experiments 'proved' elements of the General Theory of Relativity. The key is to develop a test that will disprove the theory and when that 'fails' then the theory gathers more confidence! And that was all derived from the apparent 'failure' to measure the speed of the aether wind!

It was, of course, the (natural) quest for 'parity' (ScienceBoy's expression) that invented the concept of aether in the first place, just like many other fallacies (eg Flat Earth, Geocentrism) that took a huge effort to disprove.

An easy golfing analogy for the inertia of fallacious concepts (wow!:eek:) is seeing your own swing for the first time on video!!! :ooo:
 
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bluewolf said:
I would lean towards the Multiverse theory, but in reality I'm a fan of the infinity concept.. I like the idea of space reaching out without ever stopping. The beauty of realizing that at some point there will be another exact version of me, who has lived my exact life, and is doing just what I'm doing right now..

It also helps that the infinity concept means that right now, somewhere out "there", Star Wars is happening exactly as it happened in the films...;)
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So did another Me out there somewhere make that 10Ft putt to win last Months Medal ?
 
supersymmetry some years back promised a lot but pretty much failed to deliver, largely has become pretty a much discredited theory.
symmetry in particle physics however still going pretty strong.

the search for the one answer to all remains blocked by the ability to link how the quantum world of the very very small fits into the theory of relativity, the world of the very large, plus gravity etc, & how the standard model can still exist intact if the quantum world is ever going to be understood. the apparent ability for 'stuff' to be in many places at the same time.

then along came 'dark matter' & 'dark energy', great shame that Feynman isn't still around.

anybody working on a portable 4.25" event horizon .........
 
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