"Most Powerful Move In Golf" Martin Ayers

[white_feather]

Has anyone seen this instructional download?

Is it worth purchasing?

Martin Ayers is a golf coach from Australia, who now works in the States and works with Steve Elkington.

I wondered if anyone out there had watched his DVD?

 

[Hunka Turf]

Not seen it but Elkington has a great, simple action so clearly this guy knows what he's talking about

 

[Doh]

There is a lot on youtube about this, some with Elkington doing a clinic , but I think you need to get the DVD to get the gist of it.

 

[Andr3w]

There is a lot on youtube about this, some with Elkington doing a clinic , but I think you need to get the DVD to get the gist of it.

I've got the DVD. To be honest I've watched it a couple of times and still don't really know quite what the move is. It seems to be all about generating opposing torques between your hands... or something. He describes it as a feel that you can't actually see in the swing itself. If I was being cynical I'd say this is just some snake oil and wouldn't read too much into the Elkington association.

If you want more power, I'd just stick to the fundamentals.

 

[JustOne]

I've got the DVD. To be honest I've watched it a couple of times and still don't really know quite what the move is. It seems to be all about generating opposing torques between your hands... or something. He describes it as a feel that you can't actually see in the swing itself. If I was being cynical I'd say this is just some snake oil and wouldn't read too much into the Elkington association.

If you want more power, I'd just stick to the fundamentals.

I tend to agree.

Elkington has a backbone of S&T but he's putting his own spin on it and trying to monetise it for himself as 'secret in the dirt'.

.... and he also comes across as a right nut-job!

Power comes from swing speed and consistently hitting the sweetspot, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Andr3w]

I tend to agree.

Elkington has a backbone of S&T but he's putting his own spin on it and trying to monetise it for himself as 'secret in the dirt'.

.... and he also comes across as a right nut-job!

Power comes from swing speed and consistently hitting the sweetspot, nothing more, nothing less.

Indeed he doesn't appear to be the most popular player on tour.

The other guy in secret in the dirt 'sevam1' seems to be a bit of a internet sensation as well. His method is based around opposing torques in the feet I think... how anyone is suppose to swing with their hands and feet all going different ways against each other and the body's momentum I'm not sure. Seems like you'll just get all tangled up and duff it.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

There is actually a bit more to power than just swing speed and hitting the sweetspot. Weight transfer has a lot to do with it as well. Bit like boxing, fast hands won't give you a knockout punch, you need the weight transfer behind the punch to generate the power.

Elkington has always been known for his simple uncomplicated swing, sounds to me like this guy is jumping on the bandwagon and trying to claim some of Elk's success, unless of course he has been working with him for a long time?

 

[Andr3w]

There is actually a bit more to power than just swing speed and hitting the sweetspot. Weight transfer has a lot to do with it as well. Bit like boxing, fast hands won't give you a knockout punch, you need the weight transfer behind the punch to generate the power.

Elkington has always been known for his simple uncomplicated swing, sounds to me like this guy is jumping on the bandwagon and trying to claim some of Elk's success, unless of course he has been working with him for a long time?

I think they're just buddies and Elk is trying some new things out in the twilight of his career and helping his buddy at the same time.

Elkington is a super talented PGA tour player and could probably hit the ball from any position.

 

[JustOne]

There is actually a bit more to power than just swing speed and hitting the sweetspot. Weight transfer has a lot to do with it as well. Bit like boxing, fast hands won't give you a knockout punch, you need the weight transfer behind the punch to generate the power.

It's not the same with golf as you are not hitting the ball, the club is. The club face only remains in contact with the ball some 2/1000ths of a second whereas with a punch the fist would be in contact a lot longer if you 'hit thru' thereby transferring more energy. This is not possible when hitting a ball. Weight thru in golf is just there to assist you to maximise your clubhead speed, maintain your balance and control your path/angle of attack, you don't have to do it though.... lots of people hang back and bomb it.

It's impossible to 'muscle the ball', only swinging faster and finding the sweetspot works.

 

[JustOne]

I think they're just buddies and Elk is trying some new things out in the twilight of his career and helping his buddy at the same time.

Elkington is a super talented PGA tour player and could probably hit the ball from any position.

I think that Sevam1 explained his technique of pre-torquing the right leg to Elk who 'loved it' and proclaimed it a 'secret'. The rest is marketing. Ironically the other 99% of his 'teaching' is pure S&T.

 

[duncan mackie]

It's impossible to 'muscle the ball', only swinging faster and finding the sweetspot works.

yep - those using string and rubber shafts providing a good illustration of this.

you can use muscles, powerfull moves etc to generate clubhead speed but the clubhead should be considered free floating through impact.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So based on what you guys are saying, weight transfer doesn't matter??

So explain to me please how some guys with easy languid swings get the ball a long way out there? My swing speed with driver is around 98mph but I can knock it further than a couple of my mates who are well over 100mph.

 

[JustOne]

So based on what you guys are saying, weight transfer doesn't matter??

So explain to me please how some guys with easy languid swings get the ball a long way out there? My swing speed with driver is around 98mph but I can knock it further than a couple of my mates who are well over 100mph.

That would be purely the impact conditions (loft, angle of attack, centeredness of strike and to a degree the mass of the clubhead/the COG/COR of the face), all things being equal they would hit it further than you.

As Duncan alluded to the club is a free weight on the end of a (very stiff) piece of string, all you can do is accelerate it in an arc as fast as you possibly can. You can't hit the ball 'hard', only fast.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

That would be purely the impact conditions (loft, angle of attack, centeredness of strike and to a degree the mass of the clubhead/the COG/COR of the face), all things being equal they would hit it further than you.

My point exactly. There is more to it than just speed. Mass is the same thing as having weight behind the ball.

A good example of this is how sometimes when you appear to hit the ball easy it goes for miles because the timing and weight transfer are spot on.

 

[JustOne]

My point exactly. There is more to it than just speed. Mass is the same thing as having weight behind the ball.

A good example of this is how sometimes when you appear to hit the ball easy it goes for miles because the timing and weight transfer are spot on.

That is just swing speed and a centered strike. There are no other parts. You could deloft the club and get more yardage but your playing partners would still hit it further than you if they did the same.

Generally more mass (heavier clubhead) would result in less speed.... that is why the tour guys 'work out' so they can accelerate more mass (although generally they use the same mass clubs as you and I but just accelerate it faster than you and I - swing speed) but you can't add mass by 'getting your weight thru'... only swing speed and/or improved launch conditions (where applicable).

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

That is just swing speed and a centered strike. There are no other parts. You could deloft the club and get more yardage but your playing partners would still hit it further than you if they did the same.

Generally more mass (heavier clubhead) would result in less speed.... that is why the tour guys 'work out' so they can accelerate more mass (although generally they use the same mass clubs as you and I bit just accelerate it faster that you and I - swing speed) but you can't add mass by 'getting your weight thru'... only swing speed and/or improved launch conditions (where applicable).

OK if you say so

 

[JustOne]

Here you go.... following a similar conversation to this one (with one of my mates) I posed exactly the same question a few months ago (using your analogy of a boxing punch too!!!)

See what conclusion you come to....

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/815545-is-it-physically-possible-to-hit-a-ball-hard/

 

[Region3]

You can use muscle to generate faster rotation, but trying to 'push' the club through harder is a waste of time.

I read an article ages ago that said even if you had arms like popeye and timed it perfectly, actually trying to push the club through the ball faster only added about 0.1mph to clubhead speed.

 

[Andr3w]

When I go for a session on trackman or flightscope there isn't a statistic for how much mass I put behind the ball. The ball just does not know how heavy you weight or how much weight transfer you achieved.

 

[USER1999]

I think weight shift in the down swing helps to load the shaft in some way.