Military Charities

[shivas irons]

Nowdays there seems to be a lot of military charities around and I just wondered what peoples opinions of them are, personally I think its a persons choice to join up but in doing so they must accept the consequences and outcome associated with that desicion which may include permanent injury.My father was in the RAF for 38 years and we had a good life on it as do the military personnel on an Army base I live near, they benefit from subsidised housing no council tax and and a comfortable life being in the military, theres plenty on new cars parked up on the married quarters and its a world away from the poverty many endure on civvy street.My problem is this, these people have a good life in the military but when things go wrong they expect help when it was their choice to take an occupation with the obvious risks, there were many soldiers in the 1st and 2nd world wars who didnt live a great military life and when injured in battle just got on with it when they returned to civilian life they were soldiers.As ive said you take the risk you get on with it and should you expect the publics help?,ok somebodys got to defend the country but its part and parcel of that job that there could be dire consequences and thats the risk you take signing up, their soldiers they go into battle thats the profession and the chosen risk they have taken in life.I personally would prefer to see peoples charity donations go to the homeless,children who need it or the rspca, opinions guys?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I can't really put my opinion into the words that befit that post because it would get me a ban

Military charities are started because the government don't help

Im actually disgusted that someone would post that

Remember when the firemen went on strike - guess who covered for them ?

Remember when the Olympics was about to fall apart due to lack of security - guess who covered them

And every single time it's for no extra pay - the forces are always there for the country - being apart from their families , not signing their children , seeing their comrades die or lose limbs , out there just doing their job and maybe helping people.

Yes the military is at times a good life - made good by the people in the services.

In 22 years I was with loved ones at Xmas 3 times - the rest I was in a tent in some far flung country.

The government are happy to spend billions on lazy benefits chavs who haven't worked a day in their lives - thankfully the country isn't full of people like you and understand the sacrafices people have made.

If you ever needed the militaries help I bet you wouldn't need to ask twice

 

[AmandaJR]

I couldn't disagree more with the OP and agree more with Phil...

Help for Heroes is one of the few charities I actively support and always the one I support the most. Always buy a poppy plus for the Legion too.

 

[c1973]

Personally I tend to support homeless and cancer charities but have also donated to the Erskine foundation in the past which helps ex military and I also donate to Palestinian charities when I come across them.

I have no problem in doing so either.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Surely it is a bit of a numbers game.
The troops who fought in WW2 are sadly all getting towards the end of their lives so the expense of looking after those who needed looking after is no longer applicable.
As an example look at the Chelsea pensioners, many have not seen active service. Why should they benefit from charity when there are many in our society more deserving.

I am all for supporting troops who have suffered injury and will gladly contribute to their well being.
Thankfully the numbers are much lower these days and perhaps the charitable trusts should scale down accordingly.

 

[Foxholer]

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Military charities are at the top of my very short list!

What other occupation would be allowed to put the front line workers at risk of death or disablement, then simply say 'that's part of risk of the job'?!

RSPCA went off my list when it became dominated by the anti-hunting brigade - not that I am particularly for/against hunting; it just seemed/seems a corruption of their role/priorities.

Edit: In this case, LpPhil puts it rather better than I am ever likely to!

 

[shivas irons]

I can't really put my opinion into the words that befit that post because it would get me a ban

Military charities are started because the government don't help

Im actually disgusted that someone would post that

Remember when the firemen went on strike - guess who covered for them ?

Remember when the Olympics was about to fall apart due to lack of security - guess who covered them

And every single time it's for no extra pay - the forces are always there for the country - being apart from their families , not signing their children , seeing their comrades die or lose limbs , out there just doing their job and maybe helping people.

Yes the military is at times a good life - made good by the people in the services.

In 22 years I was with loved ones at Xmas 3 times - the rest I was in a tent in some far flung country.

The government are happy to spend billions on lazy benefits chavs who haven't worked a day in their lives - thankfully the country isn't full of people like you and understand the sacrafices people have made.

If you ever needed the militaries help I bet you wouldn't need to ask twice

You opinion is that of an ex serviceman and I'm not suprised in the slightest as the military ex or serving stick together but its not the opinion of many in civvy street.You join up you man up whatever happens, it aint all about mess jollies theres another side to that job that many dont consider when they put pen to paper and sign up.....

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Think the OP might be in for some stick on this one

lets keep it civil guys

Personally I disagree with the OP, yes certain things are subsidised, but have you seen the state of some of the accommodation available? these guys and gals are not paid a fortune in the first place and they do put their lives on the line in the name of our country.

Stress levels are high especially in combat zones and some of these guys need help when they leave, the Govt help is useless and so it falls on charities like H4H & Royal British Legion to pick up the pieces.

Another feature of everyday life that sees no government cash is the Hospice system, totally reliant on charity and its wrong.

lots of ex military on here so expect a rough ride

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely it is a bit of a numbers game.
The troops who fought in WW2 are sadly all getting towards the end of their lives so the expense of looking after those who needed looking after is no longer applicable.
As an example look at the Chelsea pensioners, many have not seen active service. Why should they benefit from charity when there are many in our society more deserving.

I am all for supporting troops who have suffered injury and will gladly contribute to their well being.
Thankfully the numbers are much lower these days and perhaps the charitable trusts should scale down accordingly.

Numbers lower ? Still many people needing care from both physical and mental injury

If anything the need for help as the troops pull out and return to the UK will be bigger - especially the mental side. PTSD will be more evident soon

 

[SaintHacker]

r but its not the opinion of many in civvy street.

Utter tosh.

 

[scottbrown]

I have no military connection at all. Yet h4h is the only charity I give to.

However I shouldn't have too, the government should. We support lazy chav gits who's idea of a pay rise is to have more kids. Yet as a nation we do not support the people who put life on the line to protect our freedom.

The services deserve all our support, in the states the forces are treated like heroes, over here too many people associate the forces with politics.

 

[hovis]

I think the fact that military charities are needed is a utter joke. Especially when the scum in government are scaming on expenses. also cant belive the need for air ambulance charities. The air ambulance save more lives than you can imagine.

 

[shivas irons]

Think the OP might be in for some stick on this one

lets keep it civil guys

Personally I disagree with the OP, yes certain things are subsidised, but have you seen the state of some of the accommodation available? these guys and gals are not paid a fortune in the first place and they do put their lives on the line in the name of our country.

Stress levels are high especially in combat zones and some of these guys need help when they leave, the Govt help is useless and so it falls on charities like H4H & Royal British Legion to pick up the pieces.

Another feature of everyday life that sees no government cash is the Hospice system, totally reliant on charity and its wrong.

lots of ex military on here so expect a rough ride

Hi Phil, I completely disagree with the standard of life you list in your post, as ive said in my first post I live near an Army base and the standard of life for the military there is very high and like I said my father served for 38 yrs and we lived very well. Many who leave and I know this because I have mates who have left the military are in a state of shock in civvy street when they see how hard life is, many go straight from school into the services and dont experiance the hardness in civvy street until they leave.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You opinion is that of an ex serviceman and I'm not suprised in the slightest as the military ex or serving stick together but its not the opinion of many in civvy street.You join up you man up whatever happens, it aint all about mess jollies theres another side to that job that many dont consider when they put pen to paper and sign up.....

Think it's easier to say that you are clearer wrong if you really think your opinion is shared by many in civvy street - they are able to raise millions because of people generosity in civvy street. In fact I would say your opinion is as rare as rocking horse poo !!

I know I get accused of talking rubbish but you win hands down - you win by a country mile

I actually hope you are saying these things more for effect than anything but I am disappointed to read such utter nonsense from a UK citizen who is able to sit in comfort because of the bravery of young men and women in the country.

They are know what what is ahead when they say up - mess jollies ?! Such ignorance is beyond belief.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Numbers lower ? Still many people needing care from both physical and mental injury

If anything the need for help as the troops pull out and return to the UK will be bigger - especially the mental side. PTSD will be more evident soon

PTSD is not exactly new, we just have a better understanding of it nowadays.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hi Phil, I completely disagree with the standard of life you list in your post, as ive said in my first post I live near an Army base and the standard of life for the military there is very high and like I said my father served for 38 yrs and we lived very well. Many who leave and I know this because I have mates who have left the military are in a state of shock in civvy street when they see how hard life is, many go straight from school into the services and dont experiance the hardness in civvy street until they leave.

One person couldn't be more wrong - that's the easiest way to put it -you are wrong

People on benefits get three bedroom houses and £20-30 grand a year for doing nothing

Many servicemen live in houses falling apart or single blocks with only a mould stained sink as company ( and still have to pay for the pleasure to live in them )

The accomodation is improving ( officers first off course )

Finally camps are getting newer blocks so that someone can have their own shower but guess what - the government cut the funding for it

Many Amry camps still have people living in 4 man blocks

I left the military last year and civvy life is a breeze - I'm finally getting a decent wage that my skills deserve ,

Life maybe hard for some in civvy life - no doubt - lots of government money can be handed out to them though.

 

[Foxholer]

PTSD is not exactly new, we just have a better understanding of it nowadays.

Yeah! They used to shoot the sufferers!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

PTSD is not exactly new, we just have a better understanding of it nowadays.

It's not new but along with combat stress develops differently in many people

Every weekend I used to help out at the combat stress centre near Newport ( the whole centre was dependent on both charity work and help ) - it gets busier and busier every single month.

 

[upsidedown]

I can see from where the OP is coming from and also the side of servicemen as yes they do put their lives on the line if in Afgahnistan.

However there is an occupation which has a high if not higher fatality rate ( depends if you look at % or total deaths), one which we rely on a least 3 times a day every day and very rarely do you hear of a charity for them or survivors .

What occupation ?

Farmers and farm workers . 29 killed in 2012/13. Killed doing a job that they are under paid for, often living in sub standard housing and working long hours.

 

[hovis]

One person couldn't be more wrong - that's the easiest way to put it -you are wrong

People on benefits get three bedroom houses and £20-30 grand a year for doing nothing

Many servicemen live in houses falling apart or single blocks with only a mould stained sink as company ( and still have to pay for the pleasure to live in them )

The accomodation is improving ( officers first off course )

Finally camps are getting newer blocks so that someone can have their own shower but guess what - the government cut the funding for it

Many Amry camps still have people living in 4 man blocks

I left the military last year and civvy life is a breeze - I'm finally getting a decent wage that my skills deserve ,

Life maybe hard for some in civvy life - no doubt - lots of government money can be handed out to them though.

I hate to say it but phil is right. He was in the air force too (they attract a higher class of riff raff than the army). From being in army accommodation i can tell you I'd take a council house any day