Mick Philpott

[3offTheTee]

Watched both programmes on BBC and ITV about the above, what a despicable individual. 15 years if he manages to survive.

Whilst difficult to estimate I wonder how much he has taken from 'The System ' so far, what the costs of his trial plus all the other costs of police, fire service, care and ancillary costs have been and how much the cost to The state for his 15 years jail term.

My thoughts are with the children. RIP

 

[JustOne]

Whilst difficult to estimate I wonder how much he has taken from 'The System ' so far, what the costs of his trial plus all the other costs of police, fire service, care and ancillary costs have been and how much the cost to The state for his 15 years jail term.

My thoughts are with the children. RIP

Strange - they appear to be about the money.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I know someone who works where he lives, and if only half the rumours and stories about him were true (and some did come out during and after the trial) then jail for the rest of his life seems to be the best place for him. Not really a great advert for modern Britain.

 

[Jay Gee]

Can't change the past and every penny spent keeping him locked up, will be money well spent.

What does need looking at is the benefits culture in this country, which he epitomised.

 

[Ethan]

Can't change the past and every penny spent keeping him locked up, will be money well spent.

What does need looking at is the benefits culture in this country, which he epitomised.

I agree that this guy deserves to rot in jail for the remainder but it has nothing to do with the benefits culture. That doesn't make someone into a homicidal maniac. No more than Shipman speaks to the state of general practice.

There is a legal saying 'Hard cases make bad laws' and it is taken generally to mean that you should not legislate based on extreme examples because the issue is often unrelated to the purported solution.

 

[USER1999]

He didn't wash for 12 weeks, and was still getting loads. Says a lot about the quality of the ladies.

 

[SocketRocket]

I agree that this guy deserves to rot in jail for the remainder but it has nothing to do with the benefits culture. That doesn't make someone into a homicidal maniac. No more than Shipman speaks to the state of general practice.

There is a legal saying 'Hard cases make bad laws' and it is taken generally to mean that you should not legislate based on extreme examples because the issue is often unrelated to the purported solution.

I dont believe they are suggesting his crime was a reflection of the benefit culture. The point made is his lifestyle epitomised the way so many people are having children as an alternative to hard work.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Can't change the past and every penny spent keeping him locked up, will be money well spent.

What does need looking at is the benefits culture in this country, which he epitomised.

Dear Daily Mail.....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe that it is disingenuous to claim that the benefits system had nothing to do with what the preening, nasty, eedjit did. The benefits system did not make him do what he did - but it certainly gave him an additional reason - a financial incentive - to do it.

Stick a drink in front of a most individuals at 8am and he will not drink it; stick a drink in front of an alcoholic at 8am and he will drink it.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I believe that it is disingenuous to claim that the benefits system had nothing to do with what the preening, nasty, eedjit did. The benefits system did not make him do what he did - but it certainly gave him an additional reason - a financial incentive - to do it.

Stick a drink in front of a most individuals at 8am and he will not drink it; stick a drink in front of an alcoholic at 8am and he will drink it.

So there is a direct link between the benefits system and the fact he killed his kids? is that the hypothesis?

 

[bogside84]

Another waster that will go to jail and we the tax payer will pay for his lodging. What is wrong with this country, take him to the nearest cremetorium put him in a box and send him on his way.

 

[wrighty1874]

Put him in a box and set fire to ita ndmake room for the other two scumbags.

 

[Ethan]

I dont believe they are suggesting his crime was a reflection of the benefit culture. The point made is his lifestyle epitomised the way so many people are having children as an alternative to hard work.

There is a blatant attempt started to use his status as a benefit claimant to start a public campaign to build support amongst the general public for further change to the benefit system. You have already bought into it by going on about 'so many people'. Apart from Philpott, who else did you have in mind?

He may well be a sociopath and clearly deserves all he is now getting but it is a bit too Daily Mail to make over reaching conclusions about anything beyond that.

 

[G1BB0]

I wonder how involved the mother was? Did he really have ultimate control over her? I watched a bit of the programme when he was bragging about pulling women while out with his wife!! how did he even have any mates is beyond me.

I am sure he will have to be in isolation for a fair while aswell cos some of his new neighbours may want a quiet word!!

 

[DappaDonDave]

So there is a direct link between the benefits system and the fact he killed his kids? is that the hypothesis?

I'd say yes, he didn't work because he was getting benefits, he then had a kid or two, played the field, convinced two females they should do twos up on another kid, had some more kids, got more benefits, one more kid, more benefits. One woman saw sense tried to leave and take his method of making cash, custody battle, few cans of Stella, lets play hero...

Oh poop I'm a crap hero, kids pass in very very unfortunate circumstances.

Remove the increase in benefits income for each kid he had and you remove the catalyst.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Watched the ITV version. Thought it focussed too much on the media side of things whereas I'm led to beleive the BBC was more factual. Watching it later so I'll find out. Either way, hoping someone will take the law into their own hands and they get their just desserts. Can't see how the lawyers can say he was a good father. Drunkard and having sex with two women under the same roof, going off with other women and being violent to those that cross him hardly model parenting. Funny he was a big hard man beating up women. They are the epitomy of everything wrong in the UK

 

[tyke]

I wonder how involved the mother was? Did he really have ultimate control over her? I watched a bit of the programme when he was bragging about pulling women while out with his wife!! how did he even have any mates is beyond me.

I am sure he will have to be in isolation for a fair while aswell cos some of his new neighbours may want a quiet word!![/QUOTE]

Nah, he will be placed on the Vunerable Prisoner wing with all the other paedophiles, rapists and child molesters/killers!!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So there is a direct link between the benefits system and the fact he killed his kids? is that the hypothesis?

As I believe the benefit money he got for looking after the children was a contributing factor to what they did then - yes - there is a direct link. If he did what he did simply to get back at his ex-mistress and get custody of the children based solely on his love for them then - no - there is no direct link.

I do not know the truth to these unknowns - however my belief is that if you did not get any state benefit for children beyond say the 6th child, then fewer couples or individuals would have 7, 8, 9 etc children. But tghat is simply my belief - I have no facts to back up that belief.

BTW - it is also my position that the current implied and actual assault by some in the media and government on those on benefits is immoral.

Cuts in the benefits that are provided seem to be across the board. Those on benefits will feel the pain of these cuts. Those of us lucky enough to not have to depend on benefits will not feel any such pain. It is a fallacy to pretend that we are all in it together and are all suffering. We are not. And there is nothing fair in anything the coalition government is currently doing around cutting benefits.

Using Philpott as an exemplar as the extreme of the benefits culture and the addiction of some to it (as an addiction is what their dependency is) is one thing - implying that there are hundreds of thousands doing the same to a 'slightly' lesser extent is another - and I do not believe it to be true.

 

[stevelev]

My Mrs had a great idea, let him out with no financial benefits or housing or support. Advertise where he is and let the country deal his punishment instead of paying to keep him.

Either that or bring back capital punishment in some cases like this

 

[tyke]

My Mrs had a great idea, let him out with no financial benefits or housing or support. Advertise where he is and let the country deal his punishment instead of paying to keep him.

Either that or bring back capital punishment in some cases like this

Hanging would be to good IMO.