Matchplay question, extra holes & h/cap

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A match was played at my club last week and the following scenario occurred. The committee are not sure of the ruling but I know, several, people on here who will be able to help and clear the water.

18 hole matchplay requiring extra holes. "As we walked to the first tee to play the extra hole I asked X whether I would continue to receive shots based upon our handicap difference. I did not know for sure how this worked. X indicated that he understood that once the 18 holes were played then any extra holes were played without handicap allowances. We cracked a couple of jokes about all my shots being spent on the first 18 holes and as I wasn’t completely sure myself we played the hole out without a shot being given. We both conceded putts on the first extra hole with X scoring 4 and me 5 and we believed that the game was won by X with a par 4. However, a friend of mine has led me to believe that I should have still been eligible to receive shots on the extra holes as per my handicap, in which case this would have been a halved hole and we should have played on. I looked into this and I now know that we should have applied the rule as set out in the Rules of Golf, Appendix I, Part C, Clause 10, "How to decide Ties' as our reference point. I realise this is several days after the game was played and as I wasn’t sure of the rule I thought X’s understanding of how we should proceed must be right and to be fair to him, he genuinely believed that was the correct way to proceed. I’ve contacted X this afternoon to make him aware of this and we both agree we both genuinely made a mistake on the application of the handicapping rules.


Can you let me know whether we have decided the tie incorrectly and how we need to proceed from here. I’m sorry if this muddies any waters with regard to the competition but I’d appreciate your help to clarify what, if anything, needs to be done next."

Advice appreciated so that I can pass it on. Thank you.
 
Any matchplay I have played that has gone to extra holes the player still gets the shots again

But once the match result has been settled that's it all done and dusted
 
You do continue to get shots if the match goes beyond 18 holes, I am sure there will be something in the rules about it but I haven't managed to find it yet
 
Lord Tyrion said:
A match was played at my club last week and the following scenario occurred. The committee are not sure of the ruling but I know, several, people on here who will be able to help and clear the water.

18 hole matchplay requiring extra holes. "As we walked to the first tee to play the extra hole I asked X whether I would continue to receive shots based upon our handicap difference. I did not know for sure how this worked. X indicated that he understood that once the 18 holes were played then any extra holes were played without handicap allowances. We cracked a couple of jokes about all my shots being spent on the first 18 holes and as I wasn’t completely sure myself we played the hole out without a shot being given. We both conceded putts on the first extra hole with X scoring 4 and me 5 and we believed that the game was won by X with a par 4. However, a friend of mine has led me to believe that I should have still been eligible to receive shots on the extra holes as per my handicap, in which case this would have been a halved hole and we should have played on. I looked into this and I now know that we should have applied the rule as set out in the Rules of Golf, Appendix I, Part C, Clause 10, "How to decide Ties' as our reference point. I realise this is several days after the game was played and as I wasn’t sure of the rule I thought X’s understanding of how we should proceed must be right and to be fair to him, he genuinely believed that was the correct way to proceed. I’ve contacted X this afternoon to make him aware of this and we both agree we both genuinely made a mistake on the application of the handicapping rules.


Can you let me know whether we have decided the tie incorrectly and how we need to proceed from here. I’m sorry if this muddies any waters with regard to the competition but I’d appreciate your help to clarify what, if anything, needs to be done next."

Advice appreciated so that I can pass it on. Thank you.
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You was done. Very underhand of your opponent.
 
louise_a said:
You do continue to get shots if the match goes beyond 18 holes, I am sure there will be something in the rules about it but I haven't managed to find it yet
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The OP actually gave the reference to Appendix I Part C. To save you looking it up, it says,

A match that ends all square should be played off hole by hole until one side wins a hole. The play-off should start on the hole where the match began. In a handicap match, handicap strokes should be allowed as in the stipulated round.


Old Skier said:
You was done. Very underhand of your opponent.
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That's an unjustifiable slur on the opponent. The OP was quite clear that it was a shared misunderstanding:

....we both agree we both genuinely made a mistake on the application of the handicapping rules.


And finally, the player did not make a claim, both players having agreed as to the handicapping arrangement. The result stands.
 
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It wasn't me thankfully. I have not put in the whole email that came into the club but it was a classic middle h/c taking the word of a low h/c "because he must be right". By all accounts the error was genuine, the winner is a decent bloke and the confusion was real.

Thanks for the replies.
 
Colin L said:
The OP actually gave the reference to Appendix I Part C. To save you looking it up, it says,

A match that ends all square should be played off hole by hole until one side wins a hole. The play-off should start on the hole where the match began. In a handicap match, handicap strokes should be allowed as in the stipulated round.




That's an unjustifiable slur on the opponent. The OP was quite clear that it was a shared misunderstanding:

....we both agree we both genuinely made a mistake on the application of the handicapping rules.


And finally, the player did not make a claim, both players having agreed as to the handicapping arrangement. The result stands.
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That will teach me not to skim read before answering
 
They should have played on to a conclusion giving shots and keeping a scorecard .
Give the card to a committee member and ask for a ruling.

NEVER accept that your op is right especially if he says he is not sure.
To many players accept the ruling of an op , just because he is a low capper doesn't mean he knows the rules.
 
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Colin L said:
The OP actually gave the reference to Appendix I Part C. To save you looking it up, it says,




And finally, the player did not make a claim, both players having agreed as to the handicapping arrangement. The result stands.
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Is it still the player must claim his shot/shots on the hole

The right thing to do is offer him a rematch.
 
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I would agree with this. You can say well the result was decided and stands but i don't see how an offer of a rematch shouldn't be allowed.
 
Kellfire said:
Our first hole is SI 1 and I got a shot on it when I went to extra holes which I then won.
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A prime reason for clubs to follow the guidance on Stroke Index allocation as shown in Appendix G of the CONGU manual. It is patently ridiculous to have SI 1 on the first hole.
 
Amazing you could be a middle/low handicap and be unaware. It's amazing what people try on. The amount of proper low handicap players who ask me if it's full handicap difference just before we start.
 
rosecott said:
A prime reason for clubs to follow the guidance on Stroke Index allocation as shown in Appendix G of the CONGU manual. It is patently ridiculous to have SI 1 on the first hole.
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I seem to remember where a match went to playoff holes the first hole was changed to #9 on stroke index regardless of what number it is.
After first hole it was as normal.

Could have misheard though anyone confirm or not?.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Is it still the player must claim his shot/shots on the hole

The right thing to do is offer him a rematch.
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You can't replay a match that has already been played to a conclusion; you can't even concede it after you have won (if you feel that bad about what happened).

On your other point 're SI, the rule already quoted makes it clear that this cannot be done.
 
rosecott said:
A prime reason for clubs to follow the guidance on Stroke Index allocation as shown in Appendix G of the CONGU manual. It is patently ridiculous to have SI 1 on the first hole.
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Indeed. I had to play sudden death to decide a team match recently and was giving a **** on the first hole, which seemed a bit tough to me. Although it was SI 9 so thems the breaks!

I've played a matchplay comps before where the rule for a tie was to play 3 xtra holes and only then go to sudddn death if necessary. I quite like that as it seems more balanced.
 
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