Match Conceded - Opinions please.

[Wessex]

A fourball matchplay is required to be played but the weather conditions are atrocious. One team are reluctant to play but the other side insist on going out. The course is virtually waterlogged with casual water everywhere and it is raining. halfway down the second fairway there appears nowhere to take complete relief and one of the reluctant players deciders to concede the match to the other two.

My question is, are the winners entitled to claim the match 10 and 8 even though the stipulated round has not been completed? It matters because two teams have to go forward to the next round and all three have scored 4 points, 2 points for a win. The fourth team didn't score any so they are obviously out.

In order to decide which two teams go forward the winning scores are calculated and the team that won through a concession does not truthfully have a score from that match because they didn't play a stipulated round.

Therefore, they won the match claiming the two points but can they claim their score of 10 and 8 and so go forward with a near perfect score? If they can't claim 10 and 8 then they don't go through but the team that conceded does for having a better performance score overall.

 

[Ethan]

I think the team was unwise to concede. If conditions were too bad for play it should have been referred to the committee for adjudication.

But they have conceded. So what is the score. I think the proper score is 'walkover' because the normal counting method doesn't really apply, and I don't think concession of the match means concession of all the remaining holes. Anyway, if they halved the first, and were on the second, then the highest score possible by winning every hole until the match was over would leave it 9 and 8.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's certainly a tough one - personally I would give the score as 10&8 but not sure what the correct comp rule would be - I expect a walkover with no holes up

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Team who concede lose 3 down

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Team who concede lose 3 down

Is that written down anywhere ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If the team who conceded lost the first hole match result is 10 and 8.

 

[rulefan]

The rules are not concerned with league tables etc, so there is no help there.

But does not conceding a match imply a concession of all the remaining holes?
If so, and if the winners had won the first, the league score would be 18 up or 18 & 0.

 

[Ethan]

The rules are not concerned with league tables etc, so there is no help there.

But does not conceding a match imply a concession of all the remaining holes?
If so, and if the winners had won the first, the league score would be 18 up or 18 & 0.

The match finishes when the number of holes won exceeds the number remaining, so this one can only be a max of 10 and 8, if the winners won the first, or 9 and 8 if halved. if they lost the first, then it would have to be 9 and 7.

But I still think it goes down as a walkover with no specific score and that if the weather was that bad, the committee should have called it off.

 

[doublebogey7]

The match finishes when the number of holes won exceeds the number remaining, so this one can only be a max of 10 and 8, if the winners won the first, or 9 and 8 if halved. if they lost the first, then it would have to be 9 and 7.

But I still think it goes down as a walkover with no specific score and that if the weather was that bad, the committee should have called it off.

The competition rules ought to have a provision for this, though given that they don't then it should be referred to the committee.

 

[duncan mackie]

I agree with both Ethan and doublebogey

unfortunately the committee appear to have created an inherently unfair situation in the first place, and should also resolve that going forwards. if the reluctant team had refused, or been unable to play, what would the committee have decided? If the team that won by a concession only required to win by 1up but the match was conceded not even started what would they have done?

sorry if this comes over a little blunt but such matters shouldn't crop up in the sense that the competition rules shouldn't be such that the can. here you could have a pair denied progress because all their matches were conceded on the one hand - or a pair that should have gone through (the other pair needing to win say 8&7) denied by a concession in another match as an alternative.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is that written down anywhere ?

Nope - I just made it up - though I think I have seen it used on occasions as a default win in case of walkover or concession - maybe it's a middle of the road win/loss result if holes up/down matter. Actually feels pretty fair.

 

[duncan mackie]

I agree with both Ethan and doublebogey

unfortunately the committee appear to have created an inherently unfair situation in the first place, and should also resolve that going forwards. if the reluctant team had refused, or been unable to play, what would the committee have decided? If the team that won by a concession only required to win by 1up but the match was conceded not even started what would they have done?

sorry if this comes over a little blunt but such matters shouldn't crop up in the sense that the competition rules shouldn't be such that the can. here you could have a pair denied progress because all their matches were conceded on the one hand - or a pair that should have gone through (the other pair needing to win say 8&7) denied by a concession in another match as an alternative.

I should have added that, as things are presented, the committee should rule in this instance based on the remaining holes being conceded ie 10 & 8, 9 & 8 or 9 & 7 depending on the result of the 1st hole.

 

[BTatHome]

Nope - I just made it up - though I think I have seen it used on occasions as a default win in case of walkover or concession - maybe it's a middle of the road win/loss result if holes up/down matter. Actually feels pretty fair.

Unless the 2nd place team needed a bigger win to take the lead position .... seem to remember seeing a team conceding specifically so that they couldn't be overtaken as the 2nd place team needed a bigger win!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Doesn't seem appropriate that a match conceded in this way when score matters should go down as 9/8 etc as such a score is unfair to others as it is a very unlikely score.

 

[Wessex]

Thank you very much for the contributions, very helpful.

I trawled the internet hoping to find a similar circumstance. Decisions on the Rules of Golf doesn't cast any light on the situation.

I was hoping against hope that there may have been a precedence but it's not the case.

This is still ongoing so I had better not say to much at present but I do thank you all for your comments.

 

[richart]

Team who concede lose 3 down

Surely that isn't a score in matchplay, just in bogey golf ?

 

[rulefan]

Thank you very much for the contributions, very helpful.

I trawled the internet hoping to find a similar circumstance. Decisions on the Rules of Golf doesn't cast any light on the situation.

I was hoping against hope that there may have been a precedence but it's not the case.

This is still ongoing so I had better not say to much at present but I do thank you all for your comments.

The Rules have nothing to do with the way people run leagues etc. They are only concerned with playing the game itself.

The organisers should have covered the details beforehand.

 

[Stuey01]

In my humble opinion and it is my opinion, not fact. The team that conceded should go down as losing all remaining holes. Otherwise you open the door to a strategic concession of the match to avoid a thumping loss and going out on "goal difference", which is not fair to the team willing to play on.

I'm betting the OP is in the team that conceded and now faces going out of the comp in favour of the team they conceded to.

 

[atticusfinch]

A fourball matchplay is required to be played but the weather conditions are atrocious. One team are reluctant to play but the other side insist on going out. The course is virtually waterlogged with casual water everywhere and it is raining. halfway down the second fairway there appears nowhere to take complete relief and one of the reluctant players deciders to concede the match to the other two.

My question is, are the winners entitled to claim the match 10 and 8 even though the stipulated round has not been completed? It matters because two teams have to go forward to the next round and all three have scored 4 points, 2 points for a win. The fourth team didn't score any so they are obviously out.

In order to decide which two teams go forward the winning scores are calculated and the team that won through a concession does not truthfully have a score from that match because they didn't play a stipulated round.

Therefore, they won the match claiming the two points but can they claim their score of 10 and 8 and so go forward with a near perfect score? If they can't claim 10 and 8 then they don't go through but the team that conceded does for having a better performance score overall.

A conceded match has no score. It is conceded before it is over. The score only matters if the match is played to a conclusion. How that plays into the competiton rankings is not covered by the rules of golf. You may set your own rules.

 

[duncan mackie]

A conceded match has no score. It is conceded before it is over. The score only matters if the match is played to a conclusion. How that plays into the competiton rankings is not covered by the rules of golf. You may set your own rules.

facinating first post under that nom de plume

welcome to the forum

if the match hadn't started I would agree, however once started there is more logic to the approach that the remaining holes are conceded and the matches score is based on that.

I would suggest the score 'clearly matters' here, or the thread wouldn't have been started.