Maintaining the integrity of Club Honours Boards & Major Comps

[2blue]

From... New handicaps, new members, bandits... etc
How does yourClub do it?
Is there a real need to in this time of reducing participation?

 

[Sybez]

The best player wins on the day surely? That's what handicaps are for. If you shot level par gross, which is quiet possible off 11, would you not collect your prize along with a heathy handicap cut?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

From... New handicaps, new members, bandits... etc
How does yourClub do it?
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What was funny I think is that when I joined my club and got round to submitting three cards, I put in my best three scores over a fairly long period off the yellows. Still trying to get to were I was back a few year ago.


Anyway I put in three card there were IIRC 83, 87 and 88 and the 83 had no doubles and I think the 87 and 88 may only had 1 or 2, certainly didn't bother submitting any rounds with trebles on, as I didn't wish a high handicap, as I am still finding my way back to better golf.

I think my club solved the problem you mentioned above, but putting me off ten at the time:rofl:

 

[Backsticks]

The best player wins on the day surely? That's what handicaps are for. If you shot level par gross, which is quiet possible off 11, would you not collect your prize along with a heathy handicap cut?

Yes, but the best player relative to his handicap - with the implication that the handicap is a correct reflection of the week in week out standard of his golf.

I do think some restrictions are necessary. We have the stipulation of having submitted 4 cards in the previous 12 months, no juniors or juveniles, and no newly allocated handicaps in that calender year.

In all cases there can be situations where it is harsh on someone. But despite that, I agree with it, and would even have it a little stronger (maybe held the handicap for the full previous calender year, or more cards submitted in the previous calender year).
It is no to cut out bandits, but rather the person whose game is being acquired and hasnt settled at some natural stable level proven over a reasonable time (not the improver, practiser, lessons taker or what ever - but he is someone who previously had a stable handicap).
Handicap golf is based on the premise that everyone teeing it up has, within reason, the same chance to win if they play best relative to their handicap.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We have no restrictions - as long as their HC is active then away they go

There is no reason to restrict people who play in major comps bar people whinging they have been beaten by someone

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Some of our gold letter "majors" do have entry stipulations (number of comp cards entered, juniors, handicap limits etc). Other than that, pay your entry and best golfer on the day wins. No need in my opinion to "protect" the integrity of these events

 

[Oddsocks]

New members must have played in 3 non board Comps, these are normally medals, bogey comps or stableford Comps to confirm handicaps are correct.

Our club had a situation around 8 years ago where a group of members joined from another course and absolutely cleared up in every major, hence the ruling

 

[Deleted member 15344]

New members must have played in 3 non board Comps, these are normally medals, bogey comps or stableford Comps to confirm handicaps are correct.

Our club had a situation around 8 years ago where a group of members joined from another course and absolutely cleared up in every major, hence the ruling

But whats wrong with that ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

New members must have played in 3 non board Comps, these are normally medals, bogey comps or stableford Comps to confirm handicaps are correct.

Our club had a situation around 8 years ago where a group of members joined from another course and absolutely cleared up in every major, hence the ruling

We had a similar issues and brought the rule in for the same reason. Funnily enough, an ex-captain rejoined a while back, and it was either him or his predecessor (so he'd have been VC) that brought it in. He entered an honours board event and won, and it turned out he'd only two qualifiers in prior to the event and was DQ'd. Caused a few choice comments all round

 

[Oddsocks]

But whats wrong with that ?

Suppose it relates to the slope grading as such. Carrying a 10hc at a hard course could equate to a hc of 5/6 at an easier course and often hc cuts take a while to get to a level to a true reflection of ability

Our majors can be quite profitable , and what's funny is after clearing up they left the following year

 

[Backsticks]

But whats wrong with that ?

Everything. Their handicaps were likely not aligned with the rest of the field. So the competition was not fairly handicapped.

 

[Beezerk]

We have to play in 3 comps before can officially win one, not sure if that's standard at all clubs.
I have noticed a few high handicap new members have won this year, some don't even know the rules but that's for another thread I guess.

 

[BesCumber]

New members must have played in 3 non board Comps, these are normally medals, bogey comps or stableford Comps to confirm handicaps are correct.

Our club had a situation around 8 years ago where a group of members joined from another course and absolutely cleared up in every major, hence the ruling

I think this is fair.
Although some will claim you can't be a full playing member, if you don't have the same playing privileges as other full playing members.
So perhaps new members should pay less the first year..

 

[IanG]

We only have Boards for scratch comps so the issue just doesn't arise.

 

[ManinBlack]

But whats wrong with that ?

Do you really need to be told? If the SS system accurately reflected the difficulty of the course there would be no problem. In reality, it is well known that players from "tough" courses do much better than their handicaps at other, easier, courses. The current system of setting SS may attempt to take into account the difficulty of the course compared with others but it fails spectacularly.

 

[patricks148]

We only have Boards for scratch comps so the issue just doesn't arise.

Same here only one board, Club Champ.. is usually the best player as its a scratch comp.

 

[hovis]

This can go round and round in circles. As fair as the handicap system tries to be it never will be imo. I've played match play comp against high handicapers where i needed to get a hole in one on a par 5 to win the hole. The truly fair way is to play scratch comps.

 

[hovis]

Do you really need to be told? If the SS system accurately reflected the difficulty of the course there would be no problem. In reality, it is well known that players from "tough" courses do much better than their handicaps at other, easier, courses. The current system of setting SS may attempt to take into account the difficulty of the course compared with others but it fails spectacularly.

My course has a sss of +1. Thats crazy. In reality its easily +4. My handicap of 9 is more like 4 or 5 at alot of other courses.

 

[fenwayrich]

We have a member who left our club three years ago with a handicap of 7. He didn't play for a year, put three cards in at another club and was awarded a new handicap of 16.

He rejoined us late last year, his new handicap was transferred and, not having put in any competition cards in at our place, he won a board comp recently playing to 8!

 

[Lazkir]

My course has a sss of +1. Thats crazy. In reality its easily +4. My handicap of 9 is more like 4 or 5 at alot of other courses.

Our course is generally regarded as a very harsh/difficult track. All hills and slopes, you can hit a perfect drive only for the ball to roll into a rough due to the slant of the course. Hardly ever get a flat lie.
It's amazing, when I play on a flat course the ball actually goes where I aim it without having to compensate for it being above/below and/or uphill/downhill lie.

When I was off 15 I was constantly told Would be off 10 or singles figures on most other courses.