Madeira

Dan2501 said:
Can we squeeze an event in in Cherrapunji during July? Maybe let the Berkshire Under 15's enter. Give them a chance to get a tour card.
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Not really the same is it - all the players playing are either ET members or Challenge Tour members
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Or just have no events at all instead ?

It's being filled by courses that are willing to host and pay for the events

We can ask them not too but then give a reason to the pros that are trying to earn a living
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have events, at courses that are at least 90% going to be playable at the time of year they are scheduled for. March in the Atlantic is maybe not ideal.. thats my point phil.
 
Imurg said:
When you think that there is a 2 year exemption to the European Tour at stake, I do wonder what value this event has ever added to the Tour.
It has never boasted a decent field, never attracts anyone of any standing and yet the winner gets to play on tour for the next 2 years - all for winning an event that is barely more significant than a Challenge Tour event.
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Asks the Pro's whose tour it is how significant it is.

The events are for them.
 
Rooter said:
have events, at courses that are at least 90% going to be playable at the time of year they are scheduled for. March in the Atlantic is maybe not ideal.. thats my point phil.
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Mine too. If they're going to have to play it during rainy season, or while there's a rally event on, I'd rather it not happen. Not as a full European Tour event anyway.
 
Rooter said:
have events, at courses that are at least 90% going to be playable at the time of year they are scheduled for. March in the Atlantic is maybe not ideal.. thats my point phil.
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And my point is those courses have to be willing to pay for the events - they aren't exactly queuing up to host events due to the cost

And as for the weather causing issues - how many tour events in th US get disrupted due to weather ? Hasn't the Scottish open been reduced by two days before - shall that be cancelled ? The Open was affected ? Master ? Even snowed during a WGC once
 
Dan2501 said:
Mine too. If they're going to have to play it during rainy season, or while there's a rally event on, I'd rather it not happen. Not as a full European Tour event anyway.
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Sorry but I'll be blunt - it's not your tour so what you rather not happen is irrelevant - it's for the golfers who play on it. And it appears to me that the field is full so that's the pro golfers who want it on.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but I'll be blunt - it's not your tour so what you rather not happen is irrelevant - it's for the golfers who play on it. And it appears to me that the field is full so that's the pro golfers who want it on.
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You're right, it's not my tour. However, as a dedicated fan of the tour, and of golf, I'm entitled to an opinion.
 
Dan2501 said:
You're right, it's not my tour. However, as a dedicated fan of the tour, and of golf, I'm entitled to an opinion.
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Then as a "dedicated" fan of the tour who no doubts goes to each event to show your support you would be fully behind the tour promoting these events to allow the future golfers of the tour the chance to gain a card - because without theses events they would struggle to get into the events to try and gain their card.

It's these sort of events that helped players like Fleetwood , Pepperell , Hatton , Morrison become members of the tour and be the future of European Golf - without these events maybe they wouldn't get that one chance they could grab - not much dedication towards the players that make the tour it seems
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Then as a "dedicated" fan of the tour who no doubts goes to each event to show your support you would be fully behind the tour promoting these events to allow the future golfers of the tour the chance to gain a card - because without theses events they would struggle to get into the events to try and gain their card.
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Nice sly dig there mate, classy.

I like the idea of the Challenge Tour guys getting a go in a European Tour tournament, I just don't agree with having a tournament in Madeira in March, or while there's a rally event on. The tournament should be replaced, I don't know what with, I don't work on the planning committee, but there is definitely something clearly wrong logically with hosting a tournament in Madeira in March. The last 2 years have proved that, and if they can't re-schedule it to a week that's suitable, then it should be binned. Fair enough if you don't agree, differing opinions are sort of the point of a forum.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
And my point is those courses have to be willing to pay for the events - they aren't exactly queuing up to host events due to the cost

And as for the weather causing issues - how many tour events in th US get disrupted due to weather ? Hasn't the Scottish open been reduced by two days before - shall that be cancelled ? The Open was affected ? Master ? Even snowed during a WGC once
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no but you can not handle freak weather, June/July in Scotland 'Should' be ok... When does your official club season start? April, why is that? because most of the crap weather is behind us hopefully.

I know, lets have an event in a remote island in the atlantic ocean in march..

Still not getting my point are you philip, but where would the fun be if you did accept my point of view.
 
Dan2501 said:
Nice sly dig there mate, classy.

I like the idea of the Challenge Tour guys getting a go in a European Tour tournament, I just don't agree with having a tournament in Madeira in March, or while there's a rally event on. The tournament should be replaced, I don't know what with, I don't work on the planning committee, but there is definitely something clearly wrong logically with hosting a tournament in Madeira in March. The last 2 years have proved that, and if they can't re-schedule it to a week that's suitable, then it should be binned. Fair enough if you don't agree, differing opinions are sort of the point of a forum.
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Replaced with what ?

You said you like the chance of the challenge tour guys getting a chance but want it binned because it doesn't suit you - not the golfers but you. Unless I have missed something the rally doesn't seem to be having any major effects on the comp - all the players are out there and some will be relishing the chance.

And what about the effect it has on the golf in the area ?

The weather in Madeira in March is as temperamental as the weather in the UK in May, June , July and August - even the Ryder Cup has been effected by the weather - should they be moved or binned ?
 
Rooter said:
no but you can not handle freak weather, June/July in Scotland 'Should' be ok... When does your official club season start? April, why is that? because most of the crap weather is behind us hopefully.

I know, lets have an event in a remote island in the atlantic ocean in march..

Still not getting my point are you philip, but where would the fun be if you did accept my point of view.
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The Maderia Open has been hosted in March , April and May since 1993 - it has been moved a number of times due to WGC and struggling to get players to play as it was always around the Players I understand

Yes the weather can be a bit dodgy but I have been on holiday in those areas and had plenty of sunshine - they host many events on the U.S. During the potential hurricane season.

They got very unlucky this year and had freak weather at that time of the year. But suggestions to bin it ?! That's people careers and lively people want to mess with - people complain enough during the break when there is no golf on - they host a comp and now people complain because it doesn't suit them.

But as we seem to have a few experts in planning and financing golf events and a full European Tour give them a shout - I can also speak to someone for you.
 
Did you read my post? I said I didn't know. I'm not on the tour planning committee. There must be a course in a country that's not affected so heavily by rain, fog and wind in March that would jump at the chance to host a tournament though. And if it's replaced by a course in a better area, how does that negatively impact someone's career? Also, how does playing a tournament that's been heavily impacted by weather two years running, resulting in a reduced hole/reduced purse tournament and a cancellation suit the players? Surely the players would rather it be held somewhere where the weather is a bit more predictable? Paying to go to Madeira and not getting to earn a living/playing for a 50% purse surely hurts them too?

When was the last tournament played in the UK reduced to 36 holes one year and cancelled the next?
 
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Dan2501 said:
Did you read my post? I said I didn't know. I'm not on the tour planning committee. There must be a course in a country that's not affected so heavily by rain, fog and wind in March that would jump at the chance to host a tournament though. Also, how does playing a tournament that's been heavily impacted by weather two years running, resulting in a reduced hole/reduced purse tournament and a cancellation suit the players? Surely the players would rather it be held somewhere where the weather is a bit more predictable?

When was the last tournament played in the UK reduced to 36 holes one year and cancelled the next?
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They played it in May in 2014

Again you say there must be a course - so then why do courses in Europe struggle to host events - money. Courses can't afford to host events because it costs so much money and they need a lot of sponsorship to host a tour event - millions

Weather expected during March in Maderia

http://www.holiday-weather.com/madeira/averages/march
 
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Dan2501 said:
So there's no way the European Tour could find another host in mainland Spain where the weather is much less severe?
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They would need a course will to pay for hosting it

Already lost two events held in Spain over the years due to unable to finance hosting the event

The average weather in Maderia isn't severe and you can get poor spells in Spain as well.

Edit: it appears its four events
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/sep/12/european-tour-golf-andalucia-masters
 
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