London Tower Block Fire

[Fish]

Fish, how is it that at the moment all buildings are failing fire regs, were they not signed off as fire safe once the job was completed. Struggling to get me head around how they were all passed as OK in the first place but now they are not. What's gone wrong with the system that should be in place.

It will depend on what the specification requirements were at the time of the tender and fitting for those specific buildings.

It's a bit like weatherproof & waterproof, both you would think are similar but obviously only 1 would resist submersion, but it would still be subjected to caveats. It's the same with fire retardant & resistant and a few more description of fire related materials, some will still burn, but much slower and some won't be flammable at all. It depends on what spec was assigned at the time, maybe the spec has now been upgraded so hence why there all failing but at the time they were cladded the lower spec was deemed acceptable, I don't know?

 

[Tashyboy]

It will depend on what the specification requirements were at the time of the tender and fitting for those specific buildings.

It's a bit like weatherproof & waterproof, both you would think are similar but obviously only 1 would resist submersion, but it would still be subjected to caveats. It's the same with fire retardant & resistant and a few more description of fire related materials, some will still burn, but much slower and some won't be flammable at all. It depends on what spec was assigned at the time, maybe the spec has now been upgraded so hence why there all failing but at the time they were cladded the lower spec was deemed acceptable, I don't know?

that last bit makes sense and summat I can relate to on a massively lower scale. Just noticed the company in the USA which made the panels are now stopping supply of the panels which are being removed.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Substitute the word murdered for something a bit less emotive and he's right. Using the word murdered detracts from a very honest piece. The discussion is moving away from what it should be about and becoming more about the perception of him grandstanding.

I agree @Hobbit. I do wish he had not used the word as it is just too emotive language; distracts from the very important point he was making (one that I agree with) - and does the Labour Party no good whatsover given how it will be portrayed by the anti-Labour press. Fortunately it seems like the power of the likes of the DM and the Sun is on the wane as most of the younger generation of voters don;t read newspapers (but that's another topic)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Walking down Wood Lane from Broadcasting Centre earlier this evening as I left work heading to White City Underground - I glanced across and less than half a mile away the brooding, deathly black hulk that is the horror of Grenfell Tower stood out stark amongst the lights of the adjacent tower blocks - how those who live in it's shadow cope with it I am not sure that I know. What to do.

 

[Fish]

Walking down Wood Lane from Broadcasting Centre earlier this evening as I left work heading to White City Underground - I glanced across and less than half a mile away the brooding, deathly black hulk that is the horror of Grenfell Tower stood out stark amongst the lights of the adjacent tower blocks - how those who live in it's shadow cope with it I am not sure that I know. What to do.

As soon as the investigation was complete it should have been demolished and flattened. You can’t refurb it, who would want to live there with all those horrific memories. It should be totally rebuilt.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As soon as the investigation was complete it should have been demolished and flattened. You can’t refurb it, who would want to live there with all those horrific memories. It should be totally rebuilt.

I agree it has to go as soon as possible - it must be horrible living in it's shadow - even looking at it from 660m gives me the creeps - but why is it still there....money and the council reconciling that with their social housing responsibilities I suspect.

Seeing it as it is today really brings back the shocking event...it is a truly awful sight.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

As soon as the investigation was complete it should have been demolished and flattened. You can’t refurb it, who would want to live there with all those horrific memories. It should be totally rebuilt.

I’ve seen or read somewhere that they can’t or won’t demolish it until after the inquest etc in case other evidence or there were questions asked were they would need to revisit the scene. Totally agree it should be demolished as soon as legally possible.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Someone has serious questions to answer now that fire testing of an undamaged front door from Grenfell Tower shows that it repelled fire for 15 mins - certainly a lot less than the 30 minutes stipulated. A manufacturing issue? A contractor cutting corners? A council cutting corners spec'ing lower grade fire resistant doors? Complicit fire resistance compliance testing?

Serious questions to be answered here.