LIV Golf

[Swango1980]

No.

That's the way they used to be ranked, Davis Love suggested it was a solution, and there's an element of merit in it. In real terms, I suspect the best 10 golfers in the world this year will be round the top ten money earners - so it's arguably a more accurate rating than the OWGR

So, you guys have spent months and months telling us how unfair it is, given the likes of DJ and Cameron Smith are sliding down the rankings, telling us they are still a force in the world, and should still be high up the rankings.

Now, you are in favour of a system that makes Phil No.1 golfer in the world. Goodness knows how much many of the worst players on LIV have earned, but no doubt it is enough to rank them miles ahead of much better golfers on other tours?

Getting a reaction from you isn't exactly difficult bud.

You clearly want it, why else post such things and get a wall of silence. Nor, I am sure, do you expect everyone to just say "yeah, that is the perfect solution, can't believe no one thought of it before and just implemented it"

 

[Mel Smooth]

So, you guys have spent months and months telling us how unfair it is, given the likes of DJ and Cameron Smith are sliding down the rankings, telling us they are still a force in the world, and should still be high up the rankings.

Now, you are in favour of a system that makes Phil No.1 golfer in the world. Goodness knows how much many of the worst players on LIV have earned, but no doubt it is enough to rank them miles ahead of much better golfers on other tours?

You clearly want it, why else post such things and get a wall of silence. Nor, I am sure, do you expect everyone to just say "yeah, that is the perfect solution, can't believe no one thought of it before and just implemented it"

Well you could debate the point (granted you're starting to here) rather than just throwing accusations of trolling around.

The fact is, ranking players by what they've earned right now, is just as legitimate as ranking players by the OWGR.

 

[Imurg]

Well you could debate the point (granted you're starting to here) rather than just throwing accusations of trolling around.

The fact is, ranking players by what they've earned right now, is just as legitimate as ranking players by the OWGR.

Okay......so that means Pat Perez is better than JT, Fitz, Burns and Schauffele ..............
See the problem?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Okay......so that means Pat Perez is better than JT, Fitz, Burns and Schauffele ..............
See the problem?

Yeah, it's innacurate - as is the OWGR.

If we did rank players by money lists by the way, the PGA tour would be dead in months, so it won't ever happen.

 

[Liverpoolphil]

Well you could debate the point (granted you're starting to here) rather than just throwing accusations of trolling around.

The fact is, ranking players by what they've earned right now, is just as legitimate as ranking players by the OWGR.

Is it really ?

So say LIV offer £10mil per event to the winner and someone like Poulter wins 3 of them does he then become number 1 because the prize money is higher ?

 

[Swango1980]

Yeah, it's innacurate - as is the OWGR.

If we did rank players by money lists by the way, the PGA tour would be dead in months, so it won't ever happen.

Well, at least you have managed to see the big flaw in your logic then

P.S. I very much doubt the PGA would be dead. But, if would kill off the credibility of the OWGR a million times faster than you think is happening currently.

 

[AussieKB]

It would be amazing for everyone to read there comments in a years time.....

 

[Swango1980]

It would be amazing for everyone to read there comments in a years time.....

Doesn't take too much for you to get excited

 

[Mel Smooth]

Is it really ?

So say LIV offer £10mil per event to the winner and someone like Poulter wins 3 of them does he then become number 1 because the prize money is higher ?

Wouldn't happen would it? If we were ranking players for entry to majors by money lists, LIV would be THE place to earn that money, and Poulter wouldn't get a sniff of a win with the worlds best players wanting to be part of the action.

It's a business model the PGA Tour have used to position themselves as the worlds number one golf tour for years, and the reason Poulter has made a nice living out of golf.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The Masters just announced all eligible LIV players will be invited to participate. Good news.

 

[C7usk]

The Masters just announced all eligible LIV players will be invited to participate. Good news.

It is indeed good news... Will add some extra spice for sure.

 

[TheBigDraw]

Great BBC podcast
THE LIV GOLF STORY.

And to those wanting to know if there is a business model based on an expected RETURN on investment then move to 35 minutes for an explanation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dqb4xn

 

[Swango1980]

Great BBC podcast
THE LIV GOLF STORY.

And to those wanting to know if there is a business model based on an expected RETURN on investment then move to 35 minutes for an explanation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dqb4xn

I thought there was someone on here saying the BBC ignored LIV?

 

[JonnyGutteridge]

Like Davis Love said, rank them by their earnings, bad golfers don't earn good money, and good golfers don't play for frig all.

Essentially, it's the big money earners that everybody wants to see in The Majors, and one way or another, that is what we will see.

I can’t quite put my finger on why you would agree with this statement.

LIV pays people just for turning up. You think that half the field (who are just phoning it in on a big fat retirement pension) should be accelerated up the world ranking points because of that?

As has been covered a million times, just because it has unlimited oil money thrown at it, it doesn’t make it special.

 

[Liverpoolphil]

It would be amazing for everyone to read there comments in a years time.....

Yes and that could be equally valid for those who are very much in favour of LIV

Wouldn't happen would it? If we were ranking players for entry to majors by money lists, LIV would be THE place to earn that money, and Poulter wouldn't get a sniff of a win with the worlds best players wanting to be part of the action.

It's a business model the PGA Tour have used to position themselves as the worlds number one golf tour for years, and the reason Poulter has made a nice living out of golf.

surely it depends on how many players LIV allow or what - right now it’s very restrictive because of shotgun starts and many of the top players are on paid contracts so when does that stop because the business model for the PGAT is massively different because the level of prize money given out is only dependent on the money coming in from sponsers and Telly money etc - LiV business model is held up by PIF

The Masters just announced all eligible LIV players will be invited to participate. Good news.

They were never going to stop players playing in them just like all the majors last year , it’s not really news , their qualfiying criteria is staying the same for next year but it seems they are looking to change it for 2024 - there is the potential that they could change it to ensure LIV players can’t qualify ?‍♂️

 

[Mel Smooth]

They were never going to stop players playing in them just like all the majors last year , it’s not really news , their qualfiying criteria is staying the same for next year but it seems they are looking to change it for 2024 - there is the potential that they could change it to ensure LIV players can’t qualify ?‍♂️

They've said that purely to pacifiy the PGA fanboys who will inevitably start getting upset at the prospect of LIV players competing in The Masters. ;-)

 

[Liverpoolphil]

They've said that purely to pacifiy the PGA fanboys who will inevitably start getting upset at the prospect of LIV players competing in The Masters. ;-)

I don’t think I have seen anyone “upset” at LIV players competing in any of the majors ?‍♂️

It’s strange that not getting banned seems to have turned into some victory for LIV , apparently that’s now going to see floods of top golfers joining when basically nothing has changed , there was no talk about LIV being banned etc

 

[Mel Smooth]

I don’t think I have seen anyone “upset” at LIV players competing in any of the majors ?‍♂️

It’s strange that not getting banned seems to have turned into some victory for LIV , apparently that’s now going to see floods of top golfers joining when basically nothing has changed , there was no talk about LIV being banned etc

It's a victory for proffesional golf, the sensible decision has been made, just like it has been for The Open.

 

[Liverpoolphil]

It's a victory for proffesional golf, the sensible decision has been made, just like it has been for The Open.

It’s not a victory for anyone - it’s carrying on as normal for the majors , nothing changing , nothing special put in place , no changes in qualifying to satisfy any new tours - qualifying process the same as it was before LIV was started

 

[Mel Smooth]

It’s not a victory for anyone - it’s carrying on as normal for the majors , nothing changing , nothing special put in place , no changes in qualifying to satisfy any new tours - qualifying process the same as it was before LIV was started

So LIV is now part of the 'golf ecosystem' then? Surely if it's not changing anything with regard to The Majors, there's no logical reason to stop their players being awarded ranking points which could help them qualify for The Majors?