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Wasnt aware the ranking system itself was being radically changed in a few weeks aside from LIV developments :

https://meczyki.net/padraig-harrington-fears-new-ranking-system-will-cause-catastrophic-damage/
That would seem to be more of a threat to ET (long term) than LIV is (short term) imo. At least after the initial raft of 'desertions'. Also raises the issue of how LIV prevents itself from being simply an 'exhibition' tour for players topping up their already sizable pension pots with proceeds from a few tournaments. How do/will those wanting to get on the gravy train actually 'qualify'?
 

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Wasnt aware the ranking system itself was being radically changed in a few weeks aside from LIV developments :

https://meczyki.net/padraig-harrington-fears-new-ranking-system-will-cause-catastrophic-damage/
This certainly makes it more equal for all players, but he's right that the European Tour will get hammered and makes it really hard for top European players to climb the rankings. Perhaps another reason the two tours need more integration? Issue is (I suspect) that many US players won't want to travel.
 

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PGA Tour - Golf for America, by America.

Hopefully the DP World Tour sack off the allegiance to the PGA Tour, let the guys from LIV play, and help swing the ranking points back in favour of players who can't access the PGA Tour.
Well yes, but no.

From an equality point of view it's perfectly fair, as what the current system allows for is European Tour and other tour players to climb higher in the rankings than they would have done playing on the PGA Tour where arguably they'd be further down the field. Of course it could be argued that there's nothing stopping PGA Tour players coming over to the EU Tour which a few have. That said it's certainly allowed the best European Tour players to get a foothold in the rankings and go on to better things. Positive discrimination if you like 😉
 

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Rory McIlroy has called players who join LIV Golf "pretty duplicitous" as Brooks Koepka became the latest to move to the new Saudi Arabian-backed series.

McIlroy, a staunch advocate of the PGA Tour, said he did not expect the former world number one to defect to LIV Golf.

"Am I surprised? Yes, because of what he said previously," he said.

"I think that's why I'm surprised at a lot of these guys, because they say one thing and then they do another and I don't understand.

"I don't know if that's for legal reasons - I have no idea - but it's pretty duplicitous on their part to say one thing and then do another thing. In public and in private."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61899722
 
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Well yes, but no.

From an equality point of view it's perfectly fair, as what the current system allows for is European Tour and other tour players to climb higher in the rankings than they would have done playing on the PGA Tour where arguably they'd be further down the field. Of course it could be argued that there's nothing stopping PGA Tour players coming over to the EU Tour which a few have. That said it's certainly allowed the best European Tour players to get a foothold in the rankings and go on to better things. Positive discrimination if you like 😉
112 players in the Travelers are American, 44 from the ROW.
Most of the players in the US Open were American, same for the Canadian Open, how is that perfectly fair?

I know the Open will have less US bias, but it's the only major and the only BIG tournament outside of the US on the calendar.

Why are non US players being disadvantaged - or are they just all crap golfers in comparison to those in the US?
 

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As someone said on BBC Have your say...

Growing the game of golf?

* No way of qualifying other than invite. No pyramid structure.
* Why haven’t Saudi done the same for a ladies series?
* No youth programmes and events
* Broadcasters aren’t touching it
* Bulk of events on one continent.
* No WR points

Growing the game about as much as I’m growing a pair of unicorns in my shed.

Money. Money. Money. That’s all it’s about
And yes, we know there's a Saudi series for women before the PR gurus chirp up 😉
 

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Clearly Brooks has said one thing in private and then gone back on it. He's free to do so and Rory is free to call him out on it.
Is he? Can he just stay out of it 🤷

If asked a question in interview just say Liv isn't for me, that's all I'm going to say on the matter

JT was the best just said respected people's choices and doesn't suddenly hate them for it
 

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surprised we havent heard much fallout from the sponsors of the players. If you are Nike, for example, and you are paying a huge amount for a player to wear your clothes and shoes because they are on major tv networks every week around the world, are there not contractual implications if the player decides to move to a competition that doesnt even have a tv deal yet?
This comes back to the YouTube angle. I suspect Nike will hit more of their target market, young, high disposable income, via YouTube than behind paywall TV.
 
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