Little dissapointed with Tiger.

[beau d.]

Have to agree with the short article in "The Game " section from this months GM regarding Tigers recent visit to India. Yes his presence will promote the game which is much needed in the likes of India, judging by the number of tour pros etc, but surely a real opportunity was missed here by someone so wealthy to put something back into the game.
Sharing some of his $2 million fee in some form to promote the game would have been a great gesture on his behalf.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Will never agree on appearance fees for golfers ( regardless of who it is )

Currently at times these players are getting a lot more money than the people that actually win the tournament.

Some of these guys get multi millions every single year - they should be out there promoting the game that has allowed them to gain this massive wealth and they should promote it by playing without the need to be compensated £2mil every time

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Have to agree with the short article in "The Game " section from this months GM regarding Tigers recent visit to India. Yes his presence will promote the game which is much needed in the likes of India, judging by the number of tour pros etc, but surely a real opportunity was missed here by someone so wealthy to put something back into the game.
Sharing some of his $2 million fee in some form to promote the game would have been a great gesture on his behalf.

Before we get going on another Tiger bashing, can someone list all the things Tiger has done to promote the game through his foundation and other charities? I'm gonna take a guess that he has done more than most.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is there an unwritten rule somewhere that allow Woods to be immune to any sort of criticism ?

Every time someone utters the slightest non positive word about him - the defensive walls snap right up.

 

[Marshy77]

Is there an unwritten rule somewhere that allow Woods to be immune to any sort of criticism ?

Every time someone utters the slightest non positive word about him - the defensive walls snap right up.

think it might be because its virtually week in week out that there's a Woods bashing thread.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

think it might be because its virtually week in week out that there's a Woods bashing thread.

Is that not the nature of sport and people in the limelight ?

The OP had a very valid point - surely that is can be discussed without it being "bashing"

 

[beau d.]

Perhaps I have been a little unfair here as like you point out I have done no research on what Tiger puts back into the game, but I still feel this was an opportunity missed in a Country which I can't think of many others which are in more need.

 

[Pin-seeker]

think it might be because its virtually week in week out that there's a Woods bashing thread.

It does get rather boring doesn't it.
Tiger,like a lot if sport stars do a lot for charity.

 

[BTatHome]

... or maybe the people that paid the $2M should use some of their money to promote it in their own country? Isn't the fact that he turned up for the promotion visit (it was after all just an exhibition not a tournament visit) and was paid for by some corporation, and surely him turning up is putting some back into the game over there ... ignoring the fact he gives his winnings in fuondtaion sponsored tournaments back, which probably amounts to much much more than many players have ever given.

Anyway, I don't begrudge him earning promotion money ... not sure why it's considered that he should gives his time for fee to everybody that asks.

 

[Marshy77]

Is that not the nature of sport and people in the limelight ?

The OP had a very valid point - surely that is can be discussed without it being "bashing"

I'm sure it can but a few only seem to be able to bash him rather than discuss it which like others say gets very boring and repetative.

 

[Pin-seeker]

The Tiger Woods Foundation was established in 1996 by Tiger Woods and his father, Earl Woods, to create and support community-based programs that improve the health, education, and welfare of all children in America. Currently, the foundation has established several programs and events such as the Tiger Woods Learning Center, Chevron World Challenge, Deutsche Bank Championship, AT&T National, and Tiger Jam which all benefit and impact the lives of millions of children. The Target World Challenge, which was most recently changed to the Chevron World Challenge, has a purse of $5.0 million. Tiger Woods, who hosts this PGA Tour co-sponsored tournament, has won the event five times and has donated his winnings to his foundation.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

... or maybe the people that paid the $2M should use some of their money to promote it in their own country? Isn't the fact that he turned up for the promotion visit (it was after all just an exhibition not a tournament visit) and was paid for by some corporation, and surely him turning up is putting some back into the game over there ... ignoring the fact he gives his winnings in fuondtaion sponsored tournaments back, which probably amounts to much much more than many players have ever given.

Anyway, I don't begrudge him earning promotion money ... not sure why it's considered that he should gives his time for fee to everybody that asks.

Regardless of it being Tiger

If it was just going out to do promotional work - get his picture taken , sign autographs etc then yes he needs to be compensated for that

But being paid to play in a tournament where the prize fund is reduced because of appearances fees paid to golfers ( not just Woods ) then i dont ever agree with that.

Increase the prize money and entice the top players to play for the big prize.

Make the Top Prize a million and that would have them all running to fight for that.

 

[andybarc]

It would be interesting to know what time commitment the big stars of all sports give to charitable work. Frankly, for the money they receive for doing what the rest of us pay to do (and spend all week yearning to do), it'll never be enough for many people. Most of these guys have more money than sense nowadays, so parting with cash isn't a great indicator.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm sure it can but a few only seem to be able to bash him rather than discuss it which like others say gets very boring and repetative.

And then there is the other side of the coin where people just protect him and he can do no wrong - there is at times a lot of polarisation when it comes to Woods - without the understanding that there is a middle ground.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Is there an unwritten rule somewhere that allow Woods to be immune to any sort of criticism ?

Every time someone utters the slightest non positive word about him - the defensive walls snap right up.

Is that not the nature of sport and people in the limelight ?

The OP had a very valid point - surely that is can be discussed without it being "bashing"

The problem is Phil, it isn't valid to criticise Tiger on an isolated incident when you don't know the facts and figures, it's just easy.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The problem is Phil, it isn't valid to criticise Tiger on an isolated incident when you don't know the facts and figures, it's just easy.

i think its wrong for any golfer to be given appearance fees regardless of what they give to any charity - thats not isolated towards Woods thats aimed at any golfer - i believe thats a valid criticism.

The problem is any time there is anything non positive posted or said about Woods it appears as if the biggest crime in sport has been made with some of the reactions.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

i think its wrong for any golfer to be given appearance fees regardless of what they give to any charity - thats not isolated towards Woods thats aimed at any golfer - i believe thats a valid criticism.

The problem is any time there is anything non positive posted or said about Woods it appears as if the biggest crime in sport has been made with some of the reactions.

That's fine, I don't disagree, but if the OP wanted a discussion on appearance money the thread shouldn't be titled "Little dissapointed with Tiger".

I don't have an issue with Tiger being criticised when he deserves it, but you can't single someone out without knowing facts no matter who they are.

 

[Pin-seeker]

If I was in a position where I could demand £2m just for playing an event would I take it? Pfffft I'd be going for £3m. Its easy for people to say they shouldn't be getting these appearance fees but pretty sure they'd do the same.
If you won £100m on the Euros would you give £98m to charity? I know I wouldn't.

 

[beau d.]

The problem is Phil, it isn't valid to criticise Tiger on an isolated incident when you don't know the facts and figures, it's just easy.

So before anyone starts a topic then we have to do countless hours of research and look into every angle of that topic in case it upsets someone.
It was never a Tiger bashing or anyone bashing post. I simply agreed with the writer of the article and still stand by the fact it was an opportunity missed.
It is exactly this which discourages many to post at all never mind start a topic. My sincere apologies for starting such a controversial issue. I felt it was in keeping with many recent topics on how to promote/make the game more accessible to the masses but evidently not.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's fine, I don't disagree, but if the OP wanted a discussion on appearance money the thread shouldn't be titled "Little dissapointed with Tiger".

I don't have an issue with Tiger being criticised when he deserves it, but you can't single someone out without knowing facts no matter who they are.

yes i agree that the issue the OP is talking about isnt just Woods hence why my first post i tried to widen it out.

believe Mickleson got a big amount for Scotland , Dufner got over a million for one of the middle east and Watson got just under a million for France ( even though i believe they are trying to regain the money after his comments )

I think at times the defence of Woods gets very intense - a lot of people took up golf because of him and he is seen as the guy to look up to for them - when that defence gets intense then the critics bite back and the middle ground gets smaller.