Lance Armstrong

[rksquire]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/19/lance-armstrong-cheat-golf-heartbroken-cycling

Don't know if this has been posted previously (did a search and nothing appeared, but apologies if it has), number of interesting (to me anyway) comments, that raised a couple of questions:

If you played 250 rounds a year what would you expect your handicap to be? [I play approx. 36-40 rounds a year, with current h/cap of 14, I'd expect to be in the region of 6-8 with 250 rounds]

&

Are the ethics of golf really on that much higher a plane than all other sports? [eg I wouldn't be 'heartbroken' to win a dubious penalty in football but I wouldn't think about gaining an advantage in golf by dubious means]

 

[turkish]

Quite an interesting article... No matter what he says people always think if him a cheat and I think that will spread across to golf too.

If he ever scores well in his club competitions that doubt will always prevail in a lot of minds.

The level at which he cheated... And the lengths he went to deny even when undeniable was abhorrent

 

[Crow]

I liked this line:

“If I moved my ball in the rough and got caught, I wouldn’t just regret it, I’d be heartbroken forever. When I think about reform in cycling, I think about golf.”

Does that mean that if he moved his ball in the rough and didn't get caught then all would be fine and dandy?

 

[turkish]

Lol I read it as the getting caught bit as being bad too

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I wouldn't trust him at anything

 

[Blue in Munich]

I wouldn't trust him at anything

Is the correct answer. I cannot think of a professional sportsman I am more disappointed in. Tiger's transgressions pale in comparison.

 

[Tongo]

Is the correct answer. I cannot think of a professional sportsman I am more disappointed in. Tiger's transgressions pale in comparison.

Likewise. I used to watch the tdf every year as a kid but started to lose interest with all the doping scandals. I still checked in on it but the Armstrong business was the nail in the coffin for me.

 

[Tashyboy]

Lance armstrong, maradona, Ben Johnson and many many others.

not interested one jot in what they have to say.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Likewise. I used to watch the tdf every year as a kid but started to lose interest with all the doping scandals. I still checked in on it but the Armstrong business was the nail in the coffin for me.

I actually watch the TdF with more interest now he's gone and it's all out in the open; it's probably cleaner now than it's ever been in the modern era.

I was given "It's Not About The Bike" as a Christmas present one year, had it read by Boxing Day morning, totally absorbing & inspirational. To find out it was a total fraud was the biggest let down I'd ever felt and ever will feel about professional sport.

 

[SaintHacker]

I was given "It's Not About The Bike" as a Christmas present one year, had it read by Boxing Day morning, totally absorbing & inspirational. To find out it was a total fraud was the biggest let down I'd ever felt and ever will feel about professional sport.

Totally agree with that. I was a massive Armstrong fan, I really (and quite naively) believed after all he had been through there was no way he wasn't clean. When he finally confessed I was so so dissappointed. The book went straight in the bin, along with a few other bits. That said I still have my 99 USPS jersey upstairs somewhere, not that I'll ever fit in it again!
Have you read David Millars book? Thats also a very absorbing read, and one thats definitely true!

 

[Foxholer]

I actually watch the TdF with more interest now he's gone and it's all out in the open; it's probably cleaner now than it's ever been in the modern era.

I was given "It's Not About The Bike" as a Christmas present one year, had it read by Boxing Day morning, totally absorbing & inspirational. To find out it was a total fraud was the biggest let down I'd ever felt and ever will feel about professional sport.

While cleaner, I don't believe it's clean yet - which is what is really important!

I wouldn't trust Armstrong to count to 3, let alone mark anyone's card!

 

[Deleted member 17920]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/19/lance-armstrong-cheat-golf-heartbroken-cycling

Don't know if this has been posted previously (did a search and nothing appeared, but apologies if it has), number of interesting (to me anyway) comments, that raised a couple of questions:

If you played 250 rounds a year what would you expect your handicap to be? [I play approx. 36-40 rounds a year, with current h/cap of 14, I'd expect to be in the region of 6-8 with 250 rounds]

&

Are the ethics of golf really on that much higher a plane than all other sports? [eg I wouldn't be 'heartbroken' to win a dubious penalty in football but I wouldn't think about gaining an advantage in golf by dubious means]

Just read the article,ha ha what a load of rubbish,

imagine been drawn with him in a monthly medal, I would be checking everything he did from start to finish. Never to be trusted ever again.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Totally agree with that. I was a massive Armstrong fan, I really (and quite naively) believed after all he had been through there was no way he wasn't clean. When he finally confessed I was so so dissappointed. The book went straight in the bin, along with a few other bits. That said I still have my 99 USPS jersey upstairs somewhere, not that I'll ever fit in it again!
Have you read David Millars book? Thats also a very absorbing read, and one thats definitely true!

You and me both mate, you and me both. Not read Millar's book; was given the one by the Irish journalist who finally outed him, still can't quite bring myself to read it.

 

[Rumpokid]

Slightly off topic, but relevant to a couple of posts regarding books.Try reading Born to Ride.(Steven Roche)..True greatness, and a damn good read.Alas, my cycling heyday was during his time, but not as well known..
Oh yes, and no doping.

 

[Slab]

Plenty footballers cheat week in week out (amateur as well as professional) and most of us will have played golf with these guys without carrying the assumption that they'll also cheat at golf

I'd definitely go out in a fourball with Lance Armstrong

 

[Tongo]

Plenty footballers cheat week in week out (amateur as well as professional) and most of us will have played golf with these guys without carrying the assumption that they'll also cheat at golf

I'd definitely go out in a fourball with Lance Armstrong

I dont think you can compare cheating at Football with years of systematic doping combined with constant denial that it happened.

Drug taking is on a whole different level to what goes on in Football.

 

[Slab]

I dont think you can compare cheating at Football with years of systematic doping combined with constant denial that it happened.

Drug taking is on a whole different level to what goes on in Football.

The thread starter makes the comparison of football to golf in the opening post & plenty footballers have failed drug tests

And we're not talking about Lance rocking up to the 1st Tee topped up with performance enhancing drugs, we're talking about whether he would cheat or not

I think I'd trust him to keep an accurate score ahead of certain footballers (cheating in football is as ingrained in the sport as drug talking was in cycling, if not more so)

 

[Rumpokid]

Plenty footballers cheat week in week out (amateur as well as professional) and most of us will have played golf with these guys without carrying the assumption that they'll also cheat at golf

I'd definitely go out in a fourball with Lance Armstrong

Are you serious?
Comparing Armstrong to footballers?..Ok, give us a like for like comparison?
Doping, blood transfusions, controlling of fellow teamates etc...Sounds a right good guy to have a knock with.
The guy has no integrity or shame.What he has done, and those like him, just gives the sport a sullied reputation, and for all those that do it the right way, the sport will never get recognised as being clean....
I guess if you did go out with him in a fourball, i guess you would have to follow to the toilet, and check the contents of his bag..

 

[Joff]

I'd trust him. In my life I've cheated in football, I've stolen from a shop when I was young. I'd have an affair with Sofia Vegara. But I wouldn't cheat at golf. It's just different.

 

[Rumpokid]

I'd trust him. In my life I've cheated in football, I've stolen from a shop when I was young. I'd have an affair with Sofia Vegara. But I wouldn't cheat at golf. It's just different.

Yeah..It's just 'different'..What a statement..????