La Liga dominance

[super hans]

came across a surprising stat over the last last 3 seasons or so tonight after Sevilla won the Europa league.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNERS

2014 - Real madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - Real/Atletico Madrid



EUROPA LEAGUE WINNERS

2014 - Sevilla
2015 - Sevilla
2016 - Sevilla



UEFA SUPER CUP WINNERS

2014 - Real Madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - Sevilla/Real/Atletico ??


WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS

2014 - Real Madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - ???







quite a phenomenal record in the last few years in club football - and without demeaning Leicester's achievements this season (which I loved) - you can't see them, as the best team in England, getting anywhere close (in my opinion).

going to take a while for the Spanish dominance to end by the looks of it.

how did this happen?

 

[Papas1982]

came across a surprising stat over the last last 3 seasons or so tonight after Sevilla won the Europa league.

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNERS

2014 - Real madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - Real/Atletico Madrid



EUROPA LEAGUE WINNERS

2014 - Sevilla
2015 - Sevilla
2016 - Sevilla



UEFA SUPER CUP WINNERS

2014 - Real Madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - Sevilla/Real/Atletico ??


WORLD CLUB CHAMPIONS

2014 - Real Madrid
2015 - Barcelona
2016 - ???







quite a phenomenal record in the last few years in club football - and without demeaning Leicester's achievements this season (which I loved) - you can't see them, as the best team in England, getting anywhere close (in my opinion).

going to take a while for the Spanish dominance to end by the looks of it.

how did this happen?

Very impressive, but the first two stats kinda guarantee the next two. Europeans tend to win the world club cup.

 

[super hans]

Very impressive, but the first two stats kinda guarantee the next two. Europeans tend to win the world club cup.

They do 'guarantee' that stat when both teams are Spanish. There is no rule that I know of that the first two teams in the stats MUST be Spanish


European teams have a 30-25 record over South American teams in the World Club championship in all its forms, so they don't really 'tend' to win it

 

[Tongo]

They do 'guarantee' that stat when both teams are Spanish. There is no rule that I know of that the first two teams in the stats MUST be Spanish


European teams have a 30-25 record over South American teams in the World Club championship in all its forms, so they don't really 'tend' to win it

What's the record in the last 20 years though? South American teams certainly won plenty of the ties in the first 20 odd years of the competition but certainly in recent times that hasn't been the case.

 

[Tongo]

La Liga dominance is obviously a knock on of having the two biggest clubs in the game. Other clubs may sell more shirts etc but when it comes to on the pitch and playing talent Real Madrid and Barcelona have been consistently the two best in recent years.

Spanish football has had two things notably different in recent times though. Not sure if it changed after the proposed strike of 14/15 but the TV cash was heavily weighted towards the big two. Obviously this put the remainder of the league at a disadvantage when it came to recruiting players, particularly when their equivalents in the PL had / have more cash to throw around.

Also the ridiculous head to head record to decide teams that finish level has distorted things somewhat. Thus, lower teams rest players when playing RM and Barca as they know they will lose so they keep their strongest teams for the games where the head to head record may matter. Not to say that this doesn't happen elsewhere but in a league where goal difference doesn't matter, so its irrelevant whether you lose 1-0 or 9-0, the leading teams certainly seem to get an easier ride than they do in leagues where goal difference is the deciding factor. (This was aptly explained in a book i'm reading at the moment about Eibar in la liga)

For me, Spanish football also appears to have taken the Europa League more seriously than English football has in recent years rather than seeing it as an inconvenience. Without so much money floating around the idea of winning things may still hold some kudos with clubs like Sevilla.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see La Liga are going to fine clubs who show empty stadium seats on televised games, interesting.

 

[Papas1982]

They do 'guarantee' that stat when both teams are Spanish. There is no rule that I know of that the first two teams in the stats MUST be Spanish


European teams have a 30-25 record over South American teams in the World Club championship in all its forms, so they don't really 'tend' to win it

I was simply saying that the final two stats are misleading. If they win the first two. Then the others a banker and doesn't make it any more or less impressive.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Top explanation from Tongo. The cash distribution is key to the big two, stuffing the others quite heftily. I think the top echelons of Spanish football is superior to the PL but the middle and bottom PL teams are better than the Spanish equivalents. The PL has more depth but at the very top the Spanish rule the roost.

The gap should not be quite so large when you consider how much money is sloshing around the PL. The PL top teams need to look at themselves. Guardiola being at Man City will be very interesting as we will see how far he can improve them both domestically and in Europe. If anyone can take a PL team forward it should be him with the City money to back him.

 

[super hans]

What's the record in the last 20 years though? South American teams certainly won plenty of the ties in the first 20 odd years of the competition but certainly in recent times that hasn't been the case.

Europe 8-4 since they introduced the cannon fodder from Africa/Asia/Oceania

 

[super hans]

I was simply saying that the final two stats are misleading. If they win the first two. Then the others a banker and doesn't make it any more or less impressive.

Whilst I agree that the final two stats are slightly weighted - they are only weighted because the Spanish teams got there in the first place.

To say those stats any way you look at them are not impressive in any way is myopic

 

[Papas1982]

Whilst I agree that the final two stats are slightly weighted - they are only weighted because the Spanish teams got there in the first place.

To say those stats any way you look at them are not impressive in any way is myopic

I wouldn't say it's short sighted in the slightest. The Spanish teams Dominamce in the two European cups is impressive. But once those two have been won. There is no possible outcome other than a victory in the super cup (so night weighted in the slightest, it's a forgone conclusion). therefore is adds nothing in way of being impressive imp, simply a byproduct of previous events.

The same for the world club. I'd be surprised if any European team that takes t seriously would t win these days.

 

[User62651]

Its not La Liga, its 2 big teams dominating. Real beat a poor ManCity 1-0 over 2 legs, there's not much in it, EPL teams need to raise their level back to where it was around 2008-10 where they dominated Europe (Barcelona aside).

 

[Liverbirdie]

Its not La Liga, its 2 big teams dominating. Real beat a poor ManCity 1-0 over 2 legs, there's not much in it, EPL teams need to raise their level back to where it was around 2008-10 where they dominated Europe (Barcelona aside).

You could extend that to 2005-2010, with Liverpool winning in 2005, Arsenal getting to the final in 2006 and us in 2007.

The big thing for me was the separate club TV deals that they did in Spain, whereas it is negotiated as league wide in most other European leagues, and UEFA should have insisted on parity a lot earlier.

Finances aside, I just think that they have a better all round technical ability, but can also add the worlds best forwards to domestic players also.

 

[pbrown7582]

You could extend that to 2005-2010, with Liverpool winning in 2005, Arsenal getting to the final in 2006 and us in 2007.

The big thing for me was the separate club TV deals that they did in Spain, whereas it is negotiated as league wide in most other European leagues, and UEFA should have insisted on parity a lot earlier.

Finances aside, I just think that they have a better all round technical ability, but can also add the worlds best forwards to domestic players also.

who was flying the flag in 08,09, 10, and 11 ? ....

 

[davidy233]

Sevilla have nothing like the money available to EPL sides yet have won five Europa Leagues in 11 years - that's an incredible record

 

[Liverbirdie]

who was flying the flag in 08,09, 10, and 11 ? ....

Them years had already been mentioned.:thup: