kevin na

[Slime]

The only penalty that would work was to give strokes, the money wouldn't matter. If you were to say from arriving at the ball to pulling the trigger there were allowed 45 seconds, for every second over they get a stroke you could pretty much guarantee they would all hit it well in time.

There is no need for slow play, and it is worse that many amateurs copy there idols and amble round the course and take 'all' day to play a shot.

I think 4 hours for a 4 balls is ok, anything more is getting a joke unless the weather is very bad and wind pushing many shots off course so time to find them.

For kevin Na yes the problem is in his head, but so was Keegan Bradleys spitting and he took all of a day to get onto it.

One penalty stroke per second.........................really? :rofl:
How many amateurs have you seen copying Kevin Na's takeaway problems or Keegan Bradley's spitting?
Bradley's spitting was just a throw away habit he'd got into and could therefore address it in a day, Na has a deep rooted psychological issue which he's been trying to resolve for some time now, totally different.

As to your assertion that Stevelev's post is possibly the most stupid you have read on here? If so, you haven't read many! Check out some of Dodger's for a start. Or re-read your own back catalogue of utter drivel....

Ironically, your post is far more stupid than the one you are commenting on so thanks for that, made me smile on on sunny Monday morning. As you say, some people, they just haven't got a clue.

Snelly.

And your evidence is where exactly?

Slime.

 

[MegaSteve]

Some interesting observations/comments on where pro golf is going with regard slow play in the press today...

Basically down the pan if it doesn't address the 'issue' pretty soon...

 

[JustOne]

One penalty stroke per second.........................really? :rofl:
How many amateurs have you seen copying Kevin Na's takeaway problems or Keegan Bradley's spitting?
Bradley's spitting was just a throw away habit he'd got into and could therefore address it in a day, Na has a deep rooted psychological issue which he's been trying to resolve for some time now, totally different.

Nice post :thup:

 

[stevelev]

One penalty stroke per second.........................really? :rofl:
How many amateurs have you seen copying Kevin Na's takeaway problems or Keegan Bradley's spitting?
Bradley's spitting was just a throw away habit he'd got into and could therefore address it in a day, Na has a deep rooted psychological issue which he's been trying to resolve for some time now, totally different.




And your evidence is where exactly?

Slime.

Yes definitely one shot per second, it is the only way to promote quicker play. And yes I know many of us imitate our idols, I for one do, but not the pace of play. The reason so many people on here moan about slow play every weekend is due to people imitating the 'stars'.

So Slime, did or did not Keegan Bradley curb his spitting habit with the outcry of the general public, and how long did it take him. Possibly less time then a round you may play :grin: :laugh:

So it can be just as easy for others to speed up a couple of seconds. I'm not the quickest player, but am more than happy to tell people I play with that they take too long, or they need to plan their shot whilst others play theirs.

So what is your take on Slow play Slime, is it an issue, what should the penalty be, or are you just here to comment on others posts with little opinion on the issue.

 

[duncan mackie]

Yes definitely one shot per second, it is the only way to promote quicker play. And yes I know many of us imitate our idols, I for one do, but not the pace of play. The reason so many people on here moan about slow play every weekend is due to people imitating the 'stars'.

So Slime, did or did not Keegan Bradley curb his spitting habit with the outcry of the general public, and how long did it take him. Possibly less time then a round you may play :grin: :laugh:

So it can be just as easy for others to speed up a couple of seconds. I'm not the quickest player, but am more than happy to tell people I play with that they take too long, or they need to plan their shot whilst others play theirs.

So what is your take on Slow play Slime, is it an issue, what should the penalty be, or are you just here to comment on others posts with little opinion on the issue.

looking at the issue of slow play, pace of play (PoP), seperately I think it's important to realise that there are detailed PoP rules in place for all Tour, and most feeder tour, events. Elite amateur events increasingly have them too.

given some of the comments in the thread it may help to understand how these work - basically when a game overall get's itself out of position on the course the reasons are considered by the RO's. Sometimes it's not a function of slow play issues but can be a protracted ruling or ball search (whilst this is a slow play factor for the average game it's not considered such for Tour events). If it's been the above the game may be politely requested to make up time. However, if the cause is slow play within the ground they will be warned, and then 'put on the clock'. This changes things from the general progress around the course to very specific times allowed for shots to be completed in various situations - first to tee off, subsequent, approach shots, putts etc - all detailed. The players know these very well.

Comming back to the specifics of this thread, you will see that if a particular group isn't falling behind the actual shot times taken by the players in the group won't normally be relevant.

Penalties do get applied, and it doesn't take much for them to be extremely expensive. Not surprisingly the main televised matches and events don't tend to have players falling foul of them though. You could argue that the damage has already been done by the time the individual players become at risk of a penalty, and many would agree. However, it's also recognised that from time to time a shot, or situation, requires a lot more time, and it would be inappropriate to deny a player that - snooker seems to apply the same principle nowadays. It's also important to recognise that the penalties have to comply with the guidlines to rule 6-7 and the penalties set out in it, basically First offence – One stroke; Second offence – Two strokes; For subsequent offence – Disqualification.

 

[Slime]

Yes definitely one shot per second, it is the only way to promote quicker play. And yes I know many of us imitate our idols, I for one do, but not the pace of play. The reason so many people on here moan about slow play every weekend is due to people imitating the 'stars'.

So Slime, ,did or did not Keegan Bradley curb his spitting habit with the outcry of the general public and how long did it take him. Possibly less time then a round you may play :grin: :laugh:

So it can be just as easy for others to speed up a couple of seconds. I'm not the quickest player, but am more than happy to tell people I play with that they take too long, or they need to plan their shot whilst others play theirs.

So what is your take on Slow play Slime, is it an issue, what should the penalty be, or are you just here to comment on others posts with little opinion on the issue.

One shot per second :rofl:...................you've said it again :rofl:....................I'm beginning to think you really mean it .
Yes. Keegan Bradley ditched his habit after the public outcry, largely due to the fact that it was a throw away habit that he was largely unaware of until it was pointed out to him. His was an 'easy come, easy go' habit which was obviously easy to eradicate. (That's the 'easy go' bit). He ditched his habit almost instantly, I take slightly longer to play a round. This is because I take lots of shots, not because I imitate pro golfers and spend the whole time spitting whilst failing to initiate a backswing.
Yes, slow play is an issue and I do not condone it, however, it depends on why the round is slow. If someone has psychological or physical issues a certain amount of sympathy might not go amiss, especially if it is something they are aware of and doing something about. The time wasting that annoys me is when someone (Zach Johnson) takes an absolute eternity to decide which way the breeze is blowing (look at the flag man, look at the flag), or when a pro golfer watches his opponent take a shot, and only then starts to get yardages & advice from his caddy when this should already have been done etc., etc., etc.
Unfortunately it is a fact of life that, with such huge sums of money involved, players will take as much time as they can....................measure twice, cut once syndrome.
As for a penalty, I would advocate a couple of warnings & then a one shot penalty per offence..............that's per offence, not per second! Oh, and the authorities would have to be 100% confident the they get the right man and that the slow play is easily avoidable.

Slime.

P.S. Was that enough opinion or would you like more, go on, pick a topic .

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the answer is simple. Give a player a yellow card for the first offence in a round and put them on the clock. Second offence is a red card and a 1 shot penalty. A further discretion in the round is a further one shot penalty. Any player getting five yellows or two reds then gets suspended for the next event they have entered. No-one wants to risk missing out on a major or a lucrative event like the Players and so those frequent offenders would have to ensure they keep the pace up week in week out and not tot up the yellow warnings

 

[JustOne]

As was pointed out earlier, whilst his group (especially him) appeared to be slow they were only one minute behind the group in front... and you don't see the final group play through very often

Seems to be a lot of opinion here regarding who knows best about slow play... and yet I bet I can't find a course in the UK that doesn't get held up....

 

[Slime]

As was pointed out earlier, whilst his group (especially him) appeared to be slow they were only one minute behind the group in front... and you don't see the final group play through very often

Seems to be a lot of opinion here regarding who knows best about slow play... and yet I bet I can't find a course in the UK that doesn't get held up....

+1 :thup: