Judging others...

[craigstardis1976]

I had an extraordinary playing experience yesterday evening I thought I would share with you.

I decided to pop out to a local course here in Phoenix I often play at for a quick nine holes. I loaded up my Ping carry bag with a Driver, 4I, 6I, 8I, PW, SW and putter. It was a nice cool evening in the desert and all was well with the world. The club pro has met my service dog (I have epilepsy 90% of the time he stays home) the pro has mentioned many times it is always ok to bring him with me, so me and the beagle headed out to the course where he would have fun in the desert.

I was asked if I minded being paired up...not a problem and my partner was called to the first tee. This gentleman had his own golf cart (buggy, you call them?) with fur seats in bright red and various right wing bumper stickers plastered all over the vehicle. He had a permanent sun tan, copper colored hair that seemed to not move and looked like a walking and talking commercial for the virtues of Taylor Made golf.

"Barr, are you a rank biginna." (I think for those of us who speak English he was asking if I were male and a new golfer.)

He then informed me: "We duncourage warkers, lowa's dar tone of the club. You be remembrin dat, Barr." (I think he meant the club does not like golfers who walk though God only knows)

So we tee off. He literally stalks me down the first hole riding alongside me and informs me that all of America's problems can be solved by "sendin da gawddamned negro, spic and furners back to dare own cuntree."

I have a very obvious English accent and faced with the western cowboy ******* son from an unholy alliance between the corpse of Enoch Powell and Donald J Trump, I just walk away and go back to the clubhouse. As I leave he turns own his "car stereo" and I hear the Fox News jingle...

I complain to the GM that if this is an example of how members behave what does it say about the club. The GM did apologize and invited me back for eighteen holes. Tanner H Dog got a cheeseburger for his trouble from the GM. I will go back. The course is nice. But the GM explained that the person I played with owns much of the land surrounding the course and was given a lifetime membership when it opened that apparently cannot be revoked.

Looking back, did I do the right thing by just walking away? I wonder now if I should have just stood up to him. True it would have put me off my game but he was not in possession of a colossal intellect, maybe it was time someone stood up to him?

Craig.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Waste of time trying to change his views

It would have been a very long couple of hours and you wouldn't have enjoyed it, but it might have been good material for a book

I'd have left him out there too

 

[kid2]

I had an extraordinary playing experience yesterday evening I thought I would share with you.

I decided to pop out to a local course here in Phoenix I often play at for a quick nine holes. I loaded up my Ping carry bag with a Driver, 4I, 6I, 8I, PW, SW and putter. It was a nice cool evening in the desert and all was well with the world. The club pro has met my service dog (I have epilepsy 90% of the time he stays home) the pro has mentioned many times it is always ok to bring him with me, so me and the beagle headed out to the course where he would have fun in the desert.

I was asked if I minded being paired up...not a problem and my partner was called to the first tee. This gentleman had his own golf cart (buggy, you call them?) with fur seats in bright red and various right wing bumper stickers plastered all over the vehicle. He had a permanent sun tan, copper colored hair that seemed to not move and looked like a walking and talking commercial for the virtues of Taylor Made golf.

"Barr, are you a rank biginna." (I think for those of us who speak English he was asking if I were male and a new golfer.)

He then informed me: "We duncourage warkers, lowa's dar tone of the club. You be remembrin dat, Barr." (I think he meant the club does not like golfers who walk though God only knows)

So we tee off. He literally stalks me down the first hole riding alongside me and informs me that all of America's problems can be solved by "sendin da gawddamned negro, spic and furners back to dare own cuntree."

I have a very obvious English accent and faced with the western cowboy ******* son from an unholy alliance between the corpse of Enoch Powell and Donald J Trump, I just walk away and go back to the clubhouse. As I leave he turns own his "car stereo" and I hear the Fox News jingle...

I complain to the GM that if this is an example of how members behave what does it say about the club. The GM did apologize and invited me back for eighteen holes. Tanner H Dog got a cheeseburger for his trouble from the GM. I will go back. The course is nice. But the GM explained that the person I played with owns much of the land surrounding the course and was given a lifetime membership when it opened that apparently cannot be revoked.

Looking back, did I do the right thing by just walking away? I wonder now if I should have just stood up to him. True it would have put me off my game but he was not in possession of a colossal intellect, maybe it was time someone stood up to him?

Craig.

Well it all depends on your nature... Some people would have walked. Me on the other hand I was brought up in a council estate and rared by good working class parents.
But one thing I can't stand is someone looking down their nose at me and talking down to me. It drive a me nuts.

I would have also walked away but not before I left him know how much of gobshite he was beforehand. Regardless of whether he owned the land around id not. It still doesn't give him the right to talk to you like that.
They won't get much people playing there if they keep getting that sort of welcome.

Hold your head up.
In my opinion you did right. 👍

 

[the_coach]

great shame to be faced with such ignorant, ill educated, extreme viewpoints - such an individual deserves walking away from always - good that you complained to the starter, GM as to what had transpired

- perhaps though they need to give due warnings to the individual concerned that such intolerance won't be entertained and follow up with a written warning that any further similar occurrences in behavior will lead to having no option but to revoke the membership and bar him from the premises for life

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Did the right thing. Simple as that

 

[sev112]

2 or 3 years ago I spent circa 9 hours sitting in a big hospital in London with my dad when he was having a day operation. It was a long day. Around us in the waiting area were others in similar situations. A the start of the day people weren't saying much to each other. One the the patients was a very old, clearly privileged gent. It was clear from his various comments that he grew up in a prevented white upper class world. Most of the nurses who were popping in and looking after us were "foreign". Two of the people waiting were obviously (To me at least) a gay couple.

MR old rich man clearly kept putting his foot in it trying to make conversation on race and sexuality grounds and probably a few others. It was quite difficult but people ewere there for operations so just tried to keep themselves to themselves.

But it was a very long day and we were all in a close/small space.

S we talked to each other, and supported those who were having eye operations.

And you know, over the 9 hours, we got to learn about each other's lives

And by the end of the evening, the gay couple gave him a big hug, so did the nurses, and when he went home he had a quite different view of people.

So sometimes, you have an opportunity to change people's prejudices, and we should do what we can to change people's viewpoints, and often it's easier to do that by not being overtly confrontational to start with

 

[Junior]

What a knob...I thought the club might have known better than to pair you up with him. You did what most people would have done !!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It's America, he could have been packing. Too right you did the correct thing and walked away. Having morals is not much use with a hole in your chest.

 

[virtuocity]

It's America, he could have been packing. Too right you did the correct thing and walked away. Having morals is not much use with a hole in your chest.

I hope this wasn't a serious post!

Anyway- anyone being as racist as this would see me stop where I was standing and inviting the other person to continue on with their game.

 

[craigstardis1976]

Actually I have little doubt he was packing.

Sadly, this kind of racism is something I have seen all too often on golf courses in the USA.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Actually I have little doubt he was packing.

Sadly, this kind of racism is something I have seen all too often on golf courses in the USA.

makes you wonder what he thought of Tiger.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I hope this wasn't a serious post!

Anyway- anyone being as racist as this would see me stop where I was standing and inviting the other person to continue on with their game.

It was serious. Different mentality in parts of the US and what would just be raised words over here could lead in a bad direction. This was clearly an unpleasant bloke and walking away was both sensible and safe.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

At a post match meal the conversation, as it often does, turned to football and the fortunes of various clubs.

When Arsenal were mentioned I was informed by the more vociferous and clearly bigoted of our opponents that their problem was that they had no English players.

I pointed out the names of Walcott, Gibbs and Welbeck only to be told that "They can't be English, they're f***** black!"

I was furious and asked him to apologise which, at first, he refused to do before his partner insisted he did. I left the table and walked out.

The thing is this guy was from a club in Leicestershire where I believe several members of the forum are members.

Ignorant redneck attitudes exist here as well as in the US.

 

[craigstardis1976]

At a post match meal the conversation, as it often does, turned to football and the fortunes of various clubs.

When Arsenal were mentioned I was informed by the more vociferous and clearly bigoted of our opponents that their problem was that they had no English players.

I pointed out the names of Walcott, Gibbs and Welbeck only to be told that "They can't be English, they're f***** black!"

I was furious and asked him to apologise which, at first, he refused to do before his partner insisted he did. I left the table and walked out.

The thing is this guy was from a club in Leicestershire where I believe several members of the forum are members.

Ignorant redneck attitudes exist here as well as in the US.

MetalMickie:

Reminds me how Donald J Trump once said black people can do some jobs as well as "real" Americans!!!

 

[craigstardis1976]

I can tell you exactly what he called him....begins with "N" and it was in reference to his penchant for and I quote..."mudshark white sluts."

 

[Sats]

I had an extraordinary playing experience yesterday evening I thought I would share with you.

I decided to pop out to a local course here in Phoenix I often play at for a quick nine holes. I loaded up my Ping carry bag with a Driver, 4I, 6I, 8I, PW, SW and putter. It was a nice cool evening in the desert and all was well with the world. The club pro has met my service dog (I have epilepsy 90% of the time he stays home) the pro has mentioned many times it is always ok to bring him with me, so me and the beagle headed out to the course where he would have fun in the desert.

I was asked if I minded being paired up...not a problem and my partner was called to the first tee. This gentleman had his own golf cart (buggy, you call them?) with fur seats in bright red and various right wing bumper stickers plastered all over the vehicle. He had a permanent sun tan, copper colored hair that seemed to not move and looked like a walking and talking commercial for the virtues of Taylor Made golf.

"Barr, are you a rank biginna." (I think for those of us who speak English he was asking if I were male and a new golfer.)

He then informed me: "We duncourage warkers, lowa's dar tone of the club. You be remembrin dat, Barr." (I think he meant the club does not like golfers who walk though God only knows)

So we tee off. He literally stalks me down the first hole riding alongside me and informs me that all of America's problems can be solved by "sendin da gawddamned negro, spic and furners back to dare own cuntree."

I have a very obvious English accent and faced with the western cowboy ******* son from an unholy alliance between the corpse of Enoch Powell and Donald J Trump, I just walk away and go back to the clubhouse. As I leave he turns own his "car stereo" and I hear the Fox News jingle...

I complain to the GM that if this is an example of how members behave what does it say about the club. The GM did apologize and invited me back for eighteen holes. Tanner H Dog got a cheeseburger for his trouble from the GM. I will go back. The course is nice. But the GM explained that the person I played with owns much of the land surrounding the course and was given a lifetime membership when it opened that apparently cannot be revoked.

Looking back, did I do the right thing by just walking away? I wonder now if I should have just stood up to him. True it would have put me off my game but he was not in possession of a colossal intellect, maybe it was time someone stood up to him?

Craig.

I think I'd tell him to go do one (polite version) I'm not adverse to confrontation and couldn't/wouldn't put up with an 'A' hole for 3-4 hours.

 

[Sats]

At a post match meal the conversation, as it often does, turned to football and the fortunes of various clubs.

When Arsenal were mentioned I was informed by the more vociferous and clearly bigoted of our opponents that their problem was that they had no English players.

I pointed out the names of Walcott, Gibbs and Welbeck only to be told that "They can't be English, they're f***** black!"

I was furious and asked him to apologise which, at first, he refused to do before his partner insisted he did. I left the table and walked out.

The thing is this guy was from a club in Leicestershire where I believe several members of the forum are members.

Ignorant redneck attitudes exist here as well as in the US.

Good one, that guy sounds like a complete d hole.