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Im sat watching the test match against the Windies and Jimmy Anderson just needs 2 wickets to beat Sir Beefy's record wicket haul.

I think Anderson's a great bowler but at least, in losing the record, Beefy still is the greatest all rounder for me - do you agree
 
chrisd said:
Im sat watching the test match against the Windies and Jimmy Anderson just needs 2 wickets to beat Sir Beefy's record wicket haul.

I think Anderson's a great bowler but at least, in losing the record, Beefy still is the greatest all rounder for me - do you agree
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Botham did say Anderson hadn't got as many centuries though.:)
 
chrisd said:
Im sat watching the test match against the Windies and Jimmy Anderson just needs 2 wickets to beat Sir Beefy's record wicket haul.

I think Anderson's a great bowler but at least, in losing the record, Beefy still is the greatest all rounder for me - do you agree
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Kallis is the greatest all rounder ever imo

A good bunch just behind with Botham , Dev , Hadlee
 
Botham for me. Anderson has been a great servant but Botham was exciting. I dont remember much of his career but have seen plenty on tv.
 
Sir Beefy is "THE" Man!!!!!
A Dude amongst Men and my All-time Sporting Hero.
Kinda hope Jimmy retires now......if you know what I mean..:p
 
Beefy was definitely world class, no doubt. Here is a challenge for you though. Name 3 top class English bowler/batsman Test all rounders? Bloomin difficult. It is a very small club that Beefy is part of.

I deliberately left out wicket keepers as I think we have been very lucky in that dept, Knott, Stewart, Prior spring to mind immediately.
 
Fred doesn't really compare to Beefy though. Fred had his moments where he was exceptional, and the best all-rounder on the planet, but his great moments don't stack up to Beefys (1981 at Headingley for example), and nor does his longevity. I love Fred, but he's nowhere near as good as Beefy.
 
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Dan2501 said:
Fred doesn't really compare to Beefy though. Fred had his moments where he was exceptional, and the best all-rounder on the planet, but his great moments don't stack up to Beefys (1981 at Edgbaston for example), and nor does his longevity. I love Fred, but he's nowhere near as good as Beefy.
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at their prime, head to head though, surely fred was the better player? yes i agree, beefys career was amazing and arguably "better"
 
Rooter - Good shout for Fred, I forgotten him. I'm with Dan though. Beefy outranks him in my eyes. He was a cracking bowler but Beefy took wickets whereas Fred bowled great spells that didn't always show in his figures.
 
Rooter said:
at their prime, head to head though, surely fred was the better player? yes i agree, beefys career was amazing and arguably "better"
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I'm not sure. Beefy was the better batsman in his prime, facing better bowling attacks. He was also a superbly talented bowler and put in some incredible all-round performances. Fred was excellent, but not for as long a period as Botham.
 
Dan2501 said:
I'm not sure. Beefy was the better batsman in his prime, facing better bowling attacks. He was also a superbly talented bowler and put in some incredible all-round performances. Fred was excellent, but not for as long a period as Botham.
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Slightly missing my point Dan, lets say you are the selector, you have space for 1 all rounder. Fred and Beefy will play their best ever game for you. Which one do you pick? To face players of Today. lets say its the last ashes test at lords and its 2-2.
 
Rooter said:
Slightly missing my point Dan, lets say you are the selector, you have space for 1 all rounder. Fred and Beefy will play their best ever game for you. Which one do you pick? To face players of Today. lets say its the last ashes test at lords and its 2-2.
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Botham for me but then I would have Freddie in as a bowler in his own right
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Botham for me but then I would have Freddie in as a bowler in his own right
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This. Botham the better all-rounder, but I'd have Fred as a bowler.

Would Jimmy make your all-time England team? If not, what would it be? Mine would probably be:

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Pietersen
Barrington
Botham
Flintoff
Knott
Trueman
Laker
Anderson

Was very close between Anderson and Willis, but having seen so much of Jimmeh I had to go for him. On his day, in the right conditions he's utterly unplayable.
 
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Simple measure to be considered an all-rounder, the batting average should be higher than the bowling average.

Ian Botham; Test batting average 33.54 Strike rate 60.71
Test bowling average28.40 Economy rate 2.99

Andrew Flintoff; Test batting average 31.77 Strike rate 62.04
Test bowling average 32.78 Economy rate 2.97

So overall Botham scored better and took his wickets at a better rate. Stats aren't everything but in the cricket world it is generally the case that all-rounders need to do it the Botham way.

Flintoff always was "a bowler who is useful with the bat" rather than a genuine all-rounder.
 
Dan - are you of a certain vintage or just know your history/averages etc. Half of your team I only know from the history books. I would have to squeeze Gower in there somewhere and throw in Underwood. Often forgotten due to finishing early but his record is hugely impressive and on his day he was unplayable.

Good to see you went with a gloveman rather than a batsman who can keep wicket. :thup:
 
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